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Old 04-26-2011, 04:22 PM   #61
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If you think it can be done, then make it happen.
Hack explorer.exe, add needed functionality, then sumbit the file back to microsoft, along with the source code. Repeat with every complaint you have.
Man, you are stubborn. You don't need to hack anything. Nothing special needs to be done at all. They know how to add the functionality and it'll probably take less that 100 lines of code. This function is well within the domain of explorer (which counters your other claim that it's not)... especially since it's the explorer.exe itself that is usually the process that won't close the file!!! Which is another point I make that I suspect the reason MS doesn't add this simple functionality is because it would be reporting Windows' explorer.exe as the culprit 99 times out of 100, which would expose their age-old bug that they would then feel pressure to fix.

Ever wonder why Microsoft bought SysInternals yet doesn't include all that helpful functionality into their OS w/o a separate download? They bought them because it was embarrassing that Microsoft didn't provide these kinds of tools in the first place to work around all the various Windows problems and headaches. It's embarrassing that some lone programmer had to show Microsoft how to use their own API and then give it away for free as a community service. It's embarrassing because it displayed how lazy Microsoft is that they cannot even outperform free software vendors, not to mention the open-source community in general, even though they have enough money to buy a small country. As I said before, they have no excuse for the mediocre products they put out. They should just go ahead and relocate to China where innovation and quality isn't a priority.

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Old 04-26-2011, 04:53 PM   #62
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Most people are trained in school, so the cost would be the same; just swap out Windows for Unix.



should be less requirement for a helpdesk since Unix is more stable.



Over time, since users aren't using an OS meant for dumb people, the users would be more intelligent and would call with less bone-headed questions.



Your double-dipping. Cost in lost productivity is included in the original cost. And I reiterate, Unix allows one, if trained, to be more productive.



I am talking about real dollars.

I believe it is FUD that keeps companies from making the switch. But, the easiest solution is to just start with education. Unfortunately, industry influences the curriculum to some extent.
Well, let's just agree that you're completely disconnected from reality and leave it at that, because:

- Most end-users in an enterprise do not have college degrees, nor do they have *nix in their public schools.
- Most end-users know little about computers, and have no need to.
- A stable OS is not sufficient to prevent a person with little tech savvy from creating problems, and most helpdesk questions are related to usage questions, not technology problems.

Yeah, sure... it's always possible that you can educate people on how to be Linux experts. You can also educate people on how to brew their own beer, make their own clothes, or diagnose/repair their own engine ignition issues... but who has that kind of time?? Then there are the things you can't do for yourself, like make your money instantly, reliably, and securely accessible from anywhere in the country, or suture your own wounds.

It's not possible for everyone to know everything, and so we specialize, and we trade services. If everyone knew how to run a computer or server properly, there'd be no reason to pay you to do it for them.
 
Old 04-26-2011, 05:06 PM   #63
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Man, you are stubborn. You don't need to hack anything. Nothing special needs to be done at all.
Okay, so you're saying that this is an impossible thing (for you) to do. Well, this is unfortunate.

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This function is well within the domain of explorer
You haven't convinced me.
  1. There is no proof that this function is within domain of explorer.exe.
  2. There is no warranty that sysinternals utility uses documented funcionality - I have not seen the source code. To find out whether sysinternals approach is viable for integration into explorer, I need to see the source.
  3. There is no warranty that tutorial I mentioned actually works - I haven't tried it. The approach listed within tutorial, however, is very likely to cause problems.
  4. There is no warranty approach used in tutorial can be incorporated into explorer.exe. I have not seen the source code of explorer exe, and there is possibility that internal program imposes limitations that would make incorporating such functionality into explorer impossible.
  5. According to my experience, explorer.exe is not responsible for most of the file locks. Within last 10 years I never saw this happening. The files have been locked by other programs, but not by explorer.exe. ANd yes, I checked.
  6. There is no warranty that microsoft knows how to add functionality.
  7. There is no warranty that new functionality will add only 100 line of code.
  8. There is no warranty that this new functionality is easy to add. Typically adding a new feature into a program that contains a mere megabyte of source code may introduce a new never heard of problem that will require additional work, bughunting, massive refactoring or program restructurization. With an operating system things will get waaaay more complicated.
  9. There is no information what Microsoft have purchased Sysinternals for. Therefore any information from untrusted source should automatically be disregarded as a speculation.
In other words, all your arguments provided so far are too weak.

To support your argument, you'll need to provide explorer.exe with functionality you mentined and the proof that this functionality has been implemented using sysinternals approach in less than 100 lines of code. Or you could write explorer.exe replacement from scrath. You should also provide proof that the same approach has been used by sysinternals and that all routines are standard and documented.

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It's embarrassing that some lone programmer had to show
It is unknown if you're a programmer or even an adult.
Judging from your replies I conclude that you may know how to write "hello world", but have no other programming experience. I have not seen even a line of code originating from you, and I haven't seen any decent reply originating from you. Therefore I conclude you're not a programmer and have no skill to implement functionality you ask for.
To change my opinion, you'll have to hang out on this forum for several months and provide at least several dozens replies in programming section that would indicate deep understanding of at least one programming language.

Failure to do so would indicate that you are another troll wannabe that is not worth attention.

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It's embarrassing because it displayed how Microsoft
Also judging from your replies I conclude that you have not read Windows EULA, and lack basic understanding of economics, software development, and "supply/demand" rule. Nobody is obliged to provide any functionality for you. You either buy it, implement it, or wait till majority will demand it.

So, in short, to prove your point you'll have to make it happen, which is clearly beyond your skill level. You'll also have to support every single argument you made in this thread and all others.

Perhaps, in a 5..7 years you'll actually grow up and will be able to provide some kind of interesting discussions.
Until that happens, you're not worth my time. Have a nice day.

P.S. Damn kids these days... 8 years ago it wasn't uncommon to encounter a person that could obliterate all your arguments/misconceptions by posting just one link or just one line of code without any strawmen, sophistry or personal attacks. I miss those people.

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Old 04-26-2011, 06:14 PM   #64
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P.S. Damn kids these days... 8 years ago it wasn't uncommon to encounter a person that could obliterate all your arguments/misconceptions by posting just one link or just one line of code without any strawmen, sophistry or personal attacks. I miss those people.
There are millions more people online now than 8 years ago
 
Old 04-26-2011, 07:47 PM   #65
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Well, let's just agree that you're completely disconnected from reality and leave it at that, because:

- Most end-users in an enterprise do not have college degrees, nor do they have *nix in their public schools.
So? They learned Windows, they can just as easily learn Unix.
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- Most end-users know little about computers, and have no need to.
So? What's your point?
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- A stable OS is not sufficient to prevent a person with little tech savvy from creating problems, and most helpdesk questions are related to usage questions, not technology problems.
It certainly helps. And for those who are just regular users, Unix has a desktop, if you haven't noticed.
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Yeah, sure... it's always possible that you can educate people on how to be Linux experts. You can also educate people on how to brew their own beer, make their own clothes, or diagnose/repair their own engine ignition issues... but who has that kind of time?? Then there are the things you can't do for yourself, like make your money instantly, reliably, and securely accessible from anywhere in the country, or suture your own wounds.

It's not possible for everyone to know everything, and so we specialize, and we trade services. If everyone knew how to run a computer or server properly, there'd be no reason to pay you to do it for them.
None of that jabbering makes any sense. I think it's you who does not have a grip on reality. You're argument are very weak and your swift move to personal attacks pretty much destroys all credibility you may have hoped for.
 
Old 04-26-2011, 07:59 PM   #66
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Hey SigTerm. I hate to break it to you, but I'm not trying to change your opinion. You told me I was wrong and I'm merely proved to you that I am not while you can't even offer any evidence or even understand basic logical deduction. But, now you just launched about 100 lines of chaff and smoke and debris and fumes which makes you right I suppose. Enjoy those Microsoft paychecks while they last. You're really dedicated.
 
Old 04-26-2011, 08:18 PM   #67
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Hey SigTerm.
It is really unfortunate to hear that you could not back up your argument with any kind of proof.
Well, see you in 5 years, I guess.
 
Old 04-26-2011, 08:24 PM   #68
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I think the first post in your first thread says all we need to know. After that came (besides a short question about the spreading of SSL) nothing than claims without any prove. Worse, you deliver no evidence for your claims at all, but demand it from others.

In my eyes typical troll behavior, not worth the time. May be you should spend more time for the basic idea of this forum: where Linux users come for help. Nothing against a fair discussion, but if you are so knowledgeable as you pretend, why is there not one post from you where you share your knowledge with other members to help them with their problems? I would think because you can't help them with hot air.

Just my two cents.
 
Old 04-26-2011, 08:30 PM   #69
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It is really unfortunate to hear that you could not back up your argument with any kind of proof.
Well, see you in 5 years, I guess.
5 years? Is that how long it will take you to earn enough kina to move "into" Australia? Maybe you should save your kina and take a few online courses in Logic, ethics, and then finally C programming. I "warranty" you need it.
 
Old 04-26-2011, 08:41 PM   #70
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I think the first post in your first thread says all we need to know.
You're creepy; researching my posts and all. Well??? What exactly does it say? It says what it says. You should have the balls to come out and say it, but this is your lame attempt to continue personal attacks in a passive aggressive way... weak.

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After that came (besides a short question about the spreading of SSL) nothing than claims without any prove. Worse, you deliver no evidence for your claims at all, but demand it from others.
You are simply a liar then. I provided plenty of common sense reasons even though I shouldn't have to prove common sense to a pair of trolls or Microsoft shills who are hyper-sensitive to any criticisms of Microsoft. Truly unusual behavior in a Linux forum.

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In my eyes typical troll behavior, not worth the time. May be you should spend more time for the basic idea of this forum: where Linux users come for help. Nothing against a fair discussion, but if you are so knowledgeable as you pretend, why is there not one post from you where you share your knowledge with other members to help them with their problems? I would think because you can't help them with hot air.

Just my two cents.
Just your two cents??? What a smart a$$. Losers. If you love Microsoft so much, then why are you two even here???? You two stick out like two sore thumbs. You tell bold faced lies and accuse anyone who defends their views as childish. You've GOT to be shills for Microsoft. It's the only thing that explains your irrational behavior and ramblings.
 
Old 04-26-2011, 08:58 PM   #71
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You should have the balls to come out and say it
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In my eyes typical troll behavior, not worth the time.
I did.

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You are simply a liar then. I provided plenty of common sense reasons
Since when is common sense an evidence? You know the meaning of to prove a claim?

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a pair of trolls or Microsoft shills who are hyper-sensitive to any criticisms of Microsoft.
I stated it in many threads before and I will do it here also. I have nothing against criticisms of anyone, as long as it is fair. Just claiming something without any prove (again, we have seen not one evidence for what you are saying) isn't in anyway fair.

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Truly unusual behavior in a Linux forum.
You think mindless Microsoft bashing should be usual behavior here. I doubt so.

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why are you two even here????
Because this is a very good (in my eyes the best) Linux forum (and not a Microsoft basher forum). I am a Linux user. I am here to learn and share what I have learned with others. To help them with problems and to get help with my problems. You know, it is called community spirit.

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What a smart a$$. Losers.

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You two stick out like two sore thumbs. You tell bold faced lies
So then show me where I have lied. By the way, reported for personal attack.

Have a nice day.
 
Old 04-26-2011, 09:14 PM   #72
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You two shills have been personally attacking me for days as well as in your last 2-3 posts to me. All you are doing is exposing yourself. You and SigTerm are like Microsoft Nazi's trying desperately to stamp-out any dissent to Microsoft that can be found. My complaint in this thread was relatively minor.

And I'm not going to waste time proving to you what any C programming class will teach you. Go back to school.

BTW, I noticed you registered in Dec 2009 and have racked-up 2462 posts... that's 117 posts per month!!! That's insane, LOL. And I notice that the counters are inaccurate and don't actually count every post. Do you share your account with other Microsoft shills? How much does MS pay you to post your misinformation here?
 
Old 04-26-2011, 09:35 PM   #73
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Hey Tobi, just stay out of my conversations unless you have anything worthwhile to contribute. Get over it and find yourself a real job.

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Old 04-27-2011, 10:34 AM   #74
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Not sure if this has already been stated but there is a program called Unlocker that removes the locking handle from files/folders so they can be deleted. Also works for flash drives that Windows won't let you remove because it feels a bit lonely or something.
 
Old 04-27-2011, 02:25 PM   #75
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You two shills have been personally attacking me for days as well as in your last 2-3 posts to me. All you are doing is exposing yourself. You and SigTerm are like Microsoft Nazi's trying desperately to stamp-out any dissent to Microsoft that can be found. My complaint in this thread was relatively minor.

And I'm not going to waste time proving to you what any C programming class will teach you. Go back to school.

BTW, I noticed you registered in Dec 2009 and have racked-up 2462 posts... that's 117 posts per month!!! That's insane, LOL. And I notice that the counters are inaccurate and don't actually count every post. Do you share your account with other Microsoft shills? How much does MS pay you to post your misinformation here?
Posts in General don't get counted. Anything else does.
 
  


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