e-buzz,

They're different OSes, with different priorities and different targets of users.

Stop exhibiting reverse elitism like this by categorising all Linux users under a single umbrella or group.

People will call you names, not because you criticize Linux, but because of the attitude you show by calling *us* names.

Such philosophical discussions will only go into open-loop mode with no end in sight.

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Linux been pretty hyped the last years and companys are talking about moving over from Windows to save money and such.

well I haven't heard any hype,
you other guys heard any hype ??
I've heard a lot of MS FUD but no hype
no hype to report here

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I just want to advice them, dont ever do such a thing!

Hahahahahahahahahahahaha
ROFLMAO

like the German Govt is going to listen to you
and half a dozen govts in Europe
and many big banks
and Govts in Sth America
woooohoooo
you must be reeaaaallly important
but forgive me
I've never heard of you

floppy

Ever heard of the word newbie? The reason there are so many distros is to give people a choice, as each distro is very different from another - in the Window Manager it brings, package management system it brings, applications it brings, user-friendliness it incorporates, hardware detection, etc...Each distro is made for a different kind of person: for what you call "geeks", that is, either advanced Linux users or just people wanting a steeper learning curve, they might go for a distro like Gentoo, Slackware or Debian. But you really don't think that a Linux power-user is going to go for a distro like MEPIS, or Xandros, do you?

You may have never said that you don't like OSS, but if you're complaining so much about them, then I think it's only fair that you start writing some absolutely perfect software which is better than MS standard and which you then give out for free! Do this for EVERY application the Open Source community wants, and you'd need to live to way over 100.

A bit vain, are we now? If you are so skilled, once again, write your own OSS or hardware drivers! After all, any "skilled computer dude" must know at least one programming language quite well, or is this just one of my assumptions like your "all Linux users have to be geeks" kind of thing?

Well, therre are very few programs which aren't in the apt repositories (you don't say "not in apt-get" - apt-get is a front-end for dkpg anyway ), then you go on the internet and find a .deb for the app you're looking for, and install it with dpkg. If it is a really obscure app, then just download the source and "./configure", "make && make install". Simple.

Oh, the following devices worked as soon as they were plugged in: iPod, networked printer, USB printer, external hard drives (LaCie and Maxtor), USB "pen" drive, my ethernet PCMCIA NIC. Any more you want?

J_K9

E-buzz, once more you continue to make yourself look foolish. I don't care about your so-called windows experience, or that you have paper/degrees which state that you are a 'computer dude from way back' as you say. What you're eluding to is that I'm commenting on you - a topic which i know nothing about, and will willingly admit. All I want to make clear is that you are in fact doing the same thing. You state that I clearly think I am more elite than other users, particularly windows users. I can understand how you get that impression, because when I first read your post, I did react unfairly, and without a great deal of thought. However, my TRUE point is that you are criticising something you have no knowledge of. Just as I have stereotyped you as a windows user, you have stereotyped me, and other linux users with your comments. Take for example:[QUOTE]Originally posted by e-buzz 'Thats why Linux is the OS designed for pimple-faced nerds and not for the broad masses.'

You continue to make claims about a topic YOU SIMPLY DONT UNDERSTAND! Comments like "What if there is something u want that isn't in apt-get?" shows this. If you profess to be a windows guru, then setting up a new server or desktop is to you second nature. However, a competent linux user could do the same running a linux OS - with or without tools like APT. Close yourself in that little box-like mind of yours and admit you're just a w***ker who wanted to put his two cents in and profess the terrible experience he had running a REAL operating system. Go back to clickity click world.

You have no right to criticise something you dont understand.

By the way - if I offended you e-buzz........ i really dont care

What this forum really needs?

A big sign at the top saying "Please do not feed the trolls"

(Or good old ASCII art, perhaps. . ?)
Anybody who posts a "Linux sucks" thread in a forum for Linux fans is by definition a troll.

Just let the thread die, guys. . . replying to trolls only encourages them.

10/10 for troll art capabilities.
I use linux so that must mean that I am 'elite', cool. We are not elite, we just like using a system that we are in control of. Yes there are certain problems with linux, but isnt that true with life.....you just have to think of a way to overcome them.
"...for pimple-faced nerds". Really? this sums up your mentality.

Guys,

The poster was simply posting his view, everybodys view differs, I agree with him for most parts of his post....out of the box linux just doesnt work like Windows. I've heard people saying that more people should use linux, yes, your right, but linux must want to be used by more users, i.e. its got to be built for the masses. The masses are going to stick with Windows because there really isnt an alternative for everyday out of the box use.

For the people that have time to configure and play around, linux is great, and for server use it cant be beaten.

I would really love to replace windows XP with linux, but I just cant do it, its too hands on and requires too much of my spare time (which I dont have alot of). There are people out there who puts hours of THEIR personal time into linux for the sake of it, because they love linux and open source, these are the reasons why I'd love to use linux more, but like I say, I simply dont have the time.

We have 30 machines in our office I'd love to fit up with linux rather than windows 98, but the software we use only works on windows, there isnt an alternative for windows XP.

Rant over

I believe the word you're looking for is exaggeration. Irony is when the outcome is the opposite of what's expected.

I've tried Linux on both a Dell laptop and an eMachines laptop. I've had no such problems. The only problems I've encountered hardware-wise are older distributions (like Libranet 2.8.1) not recognizing my mouse and Ubuntu not recognizing my native screen resolution. The screen resolution I fixed with twenty minutes of internet research and the appending of two lines to my /etc/X11/xorg.conf file.

I'm so tired of this argument. The "average dude" has never installed Windows. Never. I know these "average dudes" and dudettes in real life. They don't install Windows. I've installed Windows without the drivers and DVD playing program rescue CDs, and it's not a pretty experience. Have you seen people using Linux who haven't installed it?

Just a thought since I use both winderz and linux.

ebuzz.. you stated that you are "a computer dude from way back". If that is true "conger up" your "way back" memory and think about when you installed Win 3.0 or Win 3.1 on a machine. Linux, in relation to winderz, is still in it's infancy. Granted Linux is based on Unix which has been around for a long time, but Linux as an OS is relatively young.

Back in the "real" day of winderz when you installed it on a machine IMO it was much worse than linux is at the same stage of maturity. Hell even at the winderz 2000 stage things were a pain. Just use a time machine and go back and install Win 2K Pro on a machine that has a "win modem" that had machine specific drivers ( i.e. Compaq machine ). PITA!!!!!

Things usually get better with time. The effort given by the people in the world that contribute to the linux community will make things better when they get good input as to what is going wrong. If the continue to get crap from "users" they will quit making things so readily publicly available and everyone will be STUCK with only 1 or 2 OS's.

To me Linus made things more interesting when he decided he needed a terminal app to log onto the Helsinki universitie's Unix box:-) That grew into something that the rest of the world could play with. If he had just thought "hell with this, it is too much trouble to log into the school machine from here. I will just have to go into the school to work." Things would be a lot different. Hell you would have nothing to bitch about, or a forum to bitch in for that matter. LOL

In the end everyone does not have to like linux or winderz or Unix or computers for that matter. As the old saying goes though... "if you don't have anything nice to say, say nothing at all".

CYA

I feel hurt

Is it just me, or has the incidence of pro-windoze trolling increased following M$'s Linux-inspired panic attack that resulted in their much-publicized FUD about being superior to Linux? At the moment, I enjoy being a witness to "The Flaming of the Trolls," as it were, but, I fear, this shall presently grow repetetive and wearysome, and, swiftly thereafter, shall become irritating, which is a sensation I enjoy not at all. Why bother giving the troll the satisfaction? If the troll wants to witness people having emotional reactions to someone saying something stupid, they can check out the Phil Hendrie Show's web page (for the trolls, google it your own damn selves! For everyone else, it's at www.philhendrieshow.com).

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Thats why Linux is the OS designed for pimple-faced nerds
and not for the broad masses.

I feel hurt

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Thats all right son, just rub a little "Coconut Oil" on those pimples and they will soon go away
floppy

Let's see now... I'm 6'3" Tall... People say I'm handsome and I'm certainly not a programmer... But I enjoy working on linux...

So I definitly do not fall into the "Pimply Faced Nerd" category because I';m not pimply-faced and I'm definitly not a nerd.... So what was that all about?

And as for your choice of distro.... My advice is get one distro and stick to it... I stick to Mandrake and it works for me...

I found this quote amusing. I thought that would be the only OS they would figure out.. .. but I have actually installed Mandrake 10.1 for my grandparents and after a small adjustment, they could not be happier. When they had windows, lack of proper moter skills in 'clicking' and general computer knowledge (gotta love them, though) got them into trouble with pop ups with dialers and strange things causing a huge phone bill. Now, by using a REAL secure OS, they will never see auto install virus garbage like that or spyware ever again (hopefully).

Maybe I am biased since I am a Computer engineering student in my later years of study, but I enjoy Linux quite a bit. I have stuck it through all the silly bugs in most distros and found them tolerable. I wish we could get some heavy duty testing before initial release, but I know it will never be to the caliber of the closed source OS as far as that is concerned. But with such a growing community, we could get darn close, in due time.


Biggest Reason Hardware is not supported in Linux:
I also hope that more hardware vendors make drivers for Linux, or better yet, make their firmware and interface protocols open source. This way GNU developers can make drivers for these devices. This lack of open exchange is the main reason for unsupported hardware, as reverse engineering can take MAJOR time.

RTM

Hm more FUD.

I am no where near a computer geek. I do not know any programming languages. And yet by reading the available documentation I was able to install Debian on my desktop and get my HP All-inOne 1210 working and my digital camera, and on my Dell Latitude C600 I have installed PCLinuxos, Xandros, and Ubuntu all with no problems.

My six years old has an old pc that I put Debian on and installed lots of games like gcompris and childsplay for him to play on.

Any OS is only as hard as you make it. People forget how hard windows was to learn when they first started using it.