i have tried Mandrake 10.1 and it seemed not stable at all ,so i want to know which is the most stable linux that we can biuld business on it.

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Not stable in which way?. Total crash, X crashes, Media Player crashes. Because Linux is Linux, it's the kernel. If something is crashing now because of a hardware incompatibility, most like it will crash with another distribution. Define stable for us and what is actually crashing

i mean that mandrake 10.1 not stable according to hardware detection ,and specially if i picked up or add a hardware like network card or change it position from PCI to another Mandrake will be lost and it will not detect the hardware.

I've tried tons of distros, so here's the lowdown, in my opinion:

If you want stable for business, you may consider one you pay for like Suse or Fedora
Just because they give you some tech support

the freebies, however, are like this (please don't be offended is you use these):

Mandrake- (holy bloat) large system, is a hog, and has probs doing other tasks (i.e. emulation of windows apps)

Fedora Core (the open sourceness)- didn't even get past the installer, there was an error, is one big beta, like windows, i ahve seen it running on other comps though (ok, not impressive)

Suse- If you have the system resources to burn (good comp) Suse is a valid choice. I would never recommend running Suse on anything less than 2.2 Ghz and 512 megs of RAM. Of course, if U R willing to wait, the system control and packaging is very easy, it babies you even more than in windows. Yast is a good program, and i ahven't haad many probs in Suse (it's just kinda bloatish and windows apps don't emulate so well...)

Gentoo- have tried it, no way for a business (if you are interested in an alternative that has easier setup but still has portage, try Vidalinux or Navyn OS )

Slackware- Slackware is probably too much trouble for a business, but a variant may be a worthy try, such as Vector linux or .... darn forgot

Debian- setup was relatively easy, (for me {I can install gentoo, and can install slack in like two seconds}) I don't know about it though, system administration might be hard, but the plus is you get tons of packages... like 16,000 or something. Debian did not impress me because of speed, but was alright

There are others I've tried, but alas.... weren't that good

(some of 'em)

Xandros is really (I mean really) easy and you can buy it to get tech support, I don't really know about packages and stuff though...

Linspire was easy for the former windows user, it has you paying like $12 a year for tons of one click install packages, and also you can buy to get tech support I believe


CONCLUSION: It may help to know what exactly your business may be doing, but Suse has easy system administration even for those totally new to linux. It is what linux users use when they feel like getting lazy, or just want an easy system for awhile. You have to have good enough hardware though, or you will be sorry.... waiting! Hardware detection in Suse is the best I've seen ever anywhere, even better than Xandros and Linspire. I don't think it is necessary to buy suse, just download it... you've got all of LQ for technical support.

And in the spirit of linux, try 'em all if you can, or trial a few,

I'm always here to help, and if you want it, post back and I'll give you my e-mail or something

hope it helped,

slackwarebilly : D

Ahh the Suse link to the mirrors... oops

here's where they talk about downloading http://www.novell.com/products/linux...l.html#version

here's the downlaod section in the americas and the 32 bit version of 9.3

http://www.novell.com/products/linux....html#americas

hope it helps, and always feel free to contact me about downloading burning installing and all that jazz,

slackwarebilly : D

That does not have much to do with Mandrake. Hotplug is a Linux feature that detects (and partialy configures) change of hardware upon booting. If Mandrake is not seeing any hardware changes, then either you don't have hotplug running or you've found a bug on it. Again, this feature is standard in Linux since kernel 2.2 series, meaning it should work about the same on Mandrake or Slackware or anything else...

Making comments like that is not helpful, and I'm not sure how you can say the things you do unless you have tried all the distros you talk about. Sure it's the same kernel, and the same stuff, but it is implemented in different ways across all linux distros. All distros would be the same if what you said is true. Why do I have configure and make a different video card or otherwise work in Slackware, when Suse just fires up Yast and says, "hey your video card changed, here's your options".

Going through so many distros I've found a great level of not that greatness, as opposed to what alot of newbs made it out to be (Mandrake being one of them). I was not impressed with Mandrake, due to 1. bloat 2. hugeness 3. lack of the ability to emulate windows games. Now for some reason, suse is kinda the same in regards to emulation, so if the system is exactly the same, why can I emulate in slackware and gentoo with flying colors? Linuxes are not that the same, in actual use, even though you could blame it on hardware, but I have had the same experiences on multiple systems... oh well.

Not to be mean to you Megeman X, (BTW, awesome screen name)

slackwarebilly : D

I forgot. To get a network device that was not plugged in at boot to work in slack, I just reboot cause I'm lazy and I have fast boot times, but there are probably console programs for redetecting your ethernet stuff.

just BTW,

slackwarebilly

This is not an argument! : D

Acctually if you go to Cedega's website you will see that the consider Mandrake one of the distros with the highest percentage of satisfacted customers, and Fedora one of the worse, but I've being cedega working nicely on Federa many times

Just because you don't know why emulation works better on this or that distro on *your* hardwares it does not mean you can blaim everything on the distro. You must consider that sometimes a distro goes better on a determined hardware but it is unwise to say: Mandrake is bad for emulation, and even worse considering cedega's statement.

I think linux happens to be about experience. In my experience on multiple machines, Mandrake did not emulate the games I wanted it to. Well maybe it does do fine on Doom 3 or Half Life 2 or some stupid game like that, but not at all for others.

Sure it may've been good for other people, but I was just speaking from experience.

(and also no matter what you say, I know Mandrake is a hog. That is also why I would not recommend for business)

I did also include the you could blame it on hardware clause

(this is not an argument, K?)

friends? (: D, yay!)

slackwarebilly

Doom 3 a stupid game? UAHSUSHAUHSAhashsuashuasuhas That's about the most heavy game I've ever seen.

I had to search to find out what hog is and I supose you mean as "program that eats up system resources". I can't possibly agree. It will eat if you think it is windows and just install it and forget. If you take the time to act more like a slackware user and compile your own kernel, maybe even your X, use a light desktop if your system is slow, you will get a really good and fast system. Obviouse there is nothing faster or more customizable then compiling everything just like gentoo does ... but it is also the most time-consuming installation.

Also notice that Mandrake is desktop oriented. It is not specificaly made for server, and most business have decent computers on their desktops, so acctually I think Mandrake is a great choise for a business *desktop* computers.

Lol! ok :^)

I guess the thread's name "most stable linux" just asks for a Flame War!

jonnyhashem,

Give Conectiva 10 a try. It is a business orientated distro that for the most part works right out of the box.

We are going a bit off topic, but I found amusing how peoples have different opinions ^_^. Doom 3 is without a doubt, a step forward with it's fancy graphics engine. The game itself is kinda boring... sorry. When you start feeling inside the game and waiting for a monster to jump on you, you find a goddamn PDA, that you _have_ to listen what is recorded on it. Usually it's some vital information to unlock a door or get some handy extra ammo. My beef with the PDA is that it takes you totally outside the game: Music stops, PDA goes fullscreen and there's even a little lag when calling the PDA. I mean, come on, if we were a Marine in a base in Mars being attacked by Demons right after somebody opened a door from Hell (omg, what horrible story by the way) we would not have time to sit and read e-mails from our mom in the darkness...

Although I'm deeply against Half-Life, Vault, Steam and anything coming from them, they did a better job with HL; No reading, just listen to survivors with a non-stop action. That's how a game is supposed to be played. We are in 2005 for crying out loud. Reading texts and PDA's when concentrated at the screen is not my cup of tea.

Graphics wise, Doom 3 is incredible. But that's what ID games are all about: Make a kick ass engine with a little game to show its power, then sell the tech to other companies to make real games with it...

I was just stating opinion, but it is sad that such good game engines are made just for extremely violent and in my opinion excessive video games. I mean i played Doom 3 for two seconds at the store. On a smoking MAC G5 thingy. it's like ok, hmm. whoever was here last left a lot of blood on the walls. Man that smoke stinks and it makes the thing choppy. Ahh a new room. oh look, a baddie, maybe I should shoot 'im... bad idea. Well he was walking pretty slow and exploded in an unrealistic amount of blood. Hmmm... with one shot. Excessive? Oh yeah.

Mature? More like immature. to be playing a game as excessively violent and gory as HL2 or Doom 3. Don't get me wrong, i like first person shooters, but what's with the blood and gore? just wondering.

(man, we are so off topic) {sorry my fault}

slackwarebilly

@ slackwarebilly

Post #7. I didn't think you were mean, everybody is entitled to their own opinion ^_^. I found Linux to be the same on the core. Different distros provides different tools to accomplish the same task. You can, for example, install Nvidia drivers in SuSE through an YaST update, or through Ubuntu by typing "sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx", or even in Gentoo by emerging nvidia-glx. What I mean is, regardless the distro you are using, you can still go to nvidia.com, grab the latest driver and built it against your kernel, once you've got the kernel sources installed.

No matter what fancy gui, installer or configuration tool they provide, Linux, in my eyes, are all the same. You can put two Turbines on the back of a Golf so it should run 10x faster and modify the doors to open upwards, it will still be a Wolksvagen Golf for me...