ok one question, know how ignerent microsoft is, why is it that every operating system they come out with, they always say, better! safer! etc! as of for linux. they dont really have to improve the operating system that much, just update it with more goodies! anyone else feel the same??

You're asking a Linux board if anyone feels MicroSoft is not good?

Actually there are people here who defend MicroSoft and even one person who started a thread a long time ago about how he didn't like the MicroSoft bashing.

exactly, would hate to post it on a microsoft board, could imbarse them a little too much.. may even make them cry. heh

I believe every Operating System "vendor", including Linux distros, and more generally every software developer claim their last version is better, safer, faster, nicer, cooler, etc ...

This is not specific to MS, and simply good marketing.

Why would you want one claiming his last release is slower, has more bugs, is less secure, and so one ?

#1. I bet you can't give 5 good arguments against using Microsoft Products.
#2. If the MS Board was a knowledgeable one, perhaps you'd be the one ending up crying.

No idea, but dammit that's what I'd do!

ok? whats knowledgeable about microsoft?

It's just marketing. They make a commercial product and as such they have to market it to encourage people to buy it.

While the Windows OS has a long history of being insecure by default and has always been pretty terrible at properly managing resources, you have to give them credit where credit is due. They probably have tightened up the default security in Vista as compared to Xp or other older releases. I'm sure there will be holes in the OS to begin with. You are talking about millions of lines of code so it's almost a sure bet something got missed.

Windows biggest security problem isn't really the OS itself but rather the default settings "out of the box" and the biggest security flaw of all - the bulk of the users themselves who don't have the slightest clue.

I think the biggest issue people are going to find with Vista is that a lot of their applications are not going to be compatible (already reading reports on this from people installing it), and their hardware isn't going to be up to par for the new requirements.

All of that long-windedness aside, there's no point in OS bashing. People will use what works best for them regardless of what we think is actually better.

OS Bashing is "word of mouth" advertising so does have some point in countering marketing.

I don't give MS much credit. They only started addressing security concerns after several very high profile events. This had more to do with that "word of mouth" advertising potential than it did with having the best interest of their customers at heart.

Funny you mention Vista. One of the Windows admins here was bitching about it this morning. He installed it at home and had issues finding things that were simple for him to find in XP. Also he noted that it asks EVERY time when you open apps not certified by MS if you want to allow it. This includes Acrobat 7.

By the way the latest PC vs MAC commercial with the security guy standing next to the PC guy after a Vista install is funny as hell. (U.S. TV commercial - apparently can be seen using quicktime at:
http://www.apple.com/getamac/ads/ )

LOL MAC's not really a fav OS, but that is pretty funny. as of for The MS deal, I think im going to run out and spend $400 to buy Vista! NOT the hell with that. im sticking with linux. Thanks everyone. just no one be like this guy --> he thought MS was the shit. but he found out it wasent and downloaded a free copy of LINUX! now look at him! -->

There's a big difference between stating the facts of the relative merits of different operating systems and OS bashing.

Sadly, far too many people (read fan boys) don't understand that difference.

Right - people don't agree with YOUR point of view so that means theirs has no merit. I recommend you read warty bliggins the toad

hmmm, seems someone is simply looking to pick a fight. Sorry, I'm not biting. I never said that anyone's opinion lacked merit, I simply stated my own opinion. If you disagree, that's just dandy with me. Such makes the world go around and lively conversation.

I recommend that you read what others actually write instead of inferring some petty insult where none was actually written.

Infer a petty insult - Didn't your post say:

???

Are we to assume that was meant as a compliment?

Funny though you didn't "bite" you did respond. As far as picking a fight no - I responded to what you wrote after reading it.

So you consider yourself a fan boy instead of as an intelligent computer user? If you do then yes an insult was surely intended as I have no respect at all for such brain dead morons, but your first post didn't strike me as coming from such an idiot.

Until now I thought we were merely discussing semantics, but perhaps I was wrong and in that case yes I did indeed mean to insult you and rightly so.