AMD is in the gutter. Intel's lineup is strong, they've lowered prices and AMD lost $600 Million last quarter. Pending some unseen ingenuity from AMD, could it be that Intel will now monopolize the non-embedded markets? While we are currently enjoying price cuts, such a monopoly will lead to huge markup. Clearly this will be bad for business - and bad for the consumer.

Been hearing that for over 10 years.. AMD has come a long way, While some other companies like Cyrix died off. I doubt AMD is going anywhere soon.

I found this info on Intel and AMD's profits in the last ten years. I have no business training, but the numbers make one wonder how much longer AMD can keep this up.

As this isn't a Linux issue as such, I have moved this to General.

AMD's Athlon X2 lineup is far from dead, same for the AMD64 design.

If anything, AMD's going to be climbing pretty damn high in the next few months/years:

- Once they pay off the purchase of ATI (600$ million lost was due to that) they have one of the best GPU makers
- They've opened the ATI GPU specifications
- AMD counts all CPU techs (SSE, MMX, etc.) when they count their TDP, so that 45W/65W is the MAX you'll ever reach, unlike Intel which counts just some stuff.
- Opterons have been a better buy over Xeons for a while now; lower power, less cost, less heat.
- AMD64 is better than EM64T in terms of compatibility and general implementation
- Quad-core is not needed just yet.
- Price:

Core 2 Duo E4400: 145$. LGA775 motherboard: 150$.
Athlon 64 X2 3800+ EE: 71$. AM2 motherboard: 70$.

I know I'm buying AMD.

EDIT: And it's well known that ATI's current lineup, if it wasn't for pretty crappy drivers, solidly pwns nVidia's.

Comparing apples with empty beer cans; are we?

A 4400 is about as fast as a X2 4400

http://www23.tomshardware.com/cpu_20...=882&chart=410

Mobo for 49,--

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813131162

AMD has better offerings in some cases but please don't run around operating with ridiculous numbers.
ATI being a better lineup is also slightly questionable.It's just that I never read that anywhere before.

Thats w/o the fact that the cheap Intel Cpus oc to 3 Ghz without any effort required whatsoever whereas the AMD's wont go far.

Back to topic:

Whatever happens with AMD isn't very important.If they really close shop somebody is going to pick the technology up and go from there.Plus as you can see from that chart they are used to manage to stay afloat despite bad numbers for quite a while.

Yes, but crashmeister, the 3800+ can be overclocked to 4400+, and on top of that, you only gain a slight edge. (It's not like the difference between a 500MHz celeron and a P3 Tulatin @ 1.4GHz)

50$ for an LGA motherboard with only 2 DIMM slots? I can find a PCChips AM2 motherboard for less with room for 4. And it's only got 2 SATA slots, both of which are 1.5gb; if you wanted to play with all cards counting I would have mentioned there's a number of Socket 939 & 754 motherboards going on clearance for 30$ USD.

If AMD dropped out of business, it'd be game over for all of us. Not only would Intel shit its pants, it'd be facing serious anti-trust investigations from everyone, and as a whole the CPU market would slow down. Who got intel to release the celeron and drop prices? Who pressured them away from NetBurst? Intel doesn't innovate, at least not after their first few breaks, they've always taken from other companies and built up on it.

Yeah - and a E4300 goes 3 gig w/o breaking sweat and thats well above AMD 6000+ area.

The reality is that AMD can't compete right now except for price and in servers that don't run full load because they are better with power consumption there.
AMD ruled 2 years ago;so did ATI - those days are over.Might be like it again but not with Barcelona and not with the current ATI cards,too.
Thats reality - Intel being the bad guys or whatever;live with it.
You find any reputable source that says otherwise please put up a link to enlighten me.

BTW - Seems people forgot awfully fast how ridiculous AMD priced their AMD64's when they were the best game in town.
Buy whatever is best at the price - neither Intel or AMD are your friends.They are in business to make a buck.From me.And you.

Well, yes, but the thing is, AMD has always pulled out with the cool/cheaper solution for a very long time now.

Even when the Pentium 3s beat whatever AMD had at the time, AMD's chips ran cooler. Even if the conroes run with slightly better performance (anything less than 15% I consider slight) AMD's are cheaper and run with less power.

Yes, they're both "evil", but one more than the other, and it's important to support the little guy when he's doing something right.

Not so sure about that... I've run both Intels and AMDs for a very long time and I've had all kinds of overheating (and flaky operation) issues with AMDs (up through Athlons) that I never see with Intels. The one huge exception being the Opteron, which seems to run cool and stable.

The current SPARC architecture has been open-sourced, so line up your fab shops and build your own chip!

AMD cheaper? Only with a knife pressed to its throat. It's only a year ago that their Athlon X2 5000 cost nearly $1000 (here in Europe, that is). Within months after the introduction of the Core 2 Duo series, that price was sliced by half and now it's only about a quarter of what it was. Trust me, AMD is hardly less evil than Intel.

As for AMD running cooler, I seem to remember that Intel was the first to adopt 65W.

And I don't see how the performance gap could be only 15%. Core 2 Duos can run at nearly double their stock speed without any issues; try that with an AMD and you have a corpse on your hands. A friend of mine who works at a computer shop tells me that something like 90% of all overclocked corpses that get carried in have AMD over them.

All in all, AMD still makes a great choice for most people. It's not as if the average computer user is doing heavy computing most of the time, if ever. But Intel is a huge marketing machine no less than MS is. You wouldn't believe how often I hear people referring to their "Pentium Core 2 Duo". It only stresses how badly the masses have been brainwashed by years of Pentium propaganda. They haven't got a clue what they are talking about but it's "Pentium" so it must be superior. That said, whenever I have to do highly CPU intensive stuff, I leave my AMD and switch to my Core 2 Duo. That can't be a coincidence.

Thats funny - I forgot,too

AMD opens a graphics chips an everybody is going oowwwww and sun opens their CPU and nobody cares..............

I am AMD and have always felt I get the more bang for the buck with them. I was actually considering a Intel for my next system but I got tired of the "DUDE, you can get 3.0ghz out of this Intel 6XXX if you overclock it and it will whoop any AMD around" Well I got news I WANT TO PLUG IT IN AND RUN IT NOT OC IT!!! Thx anyway Intel I will stick with AMD! Clock for clock AMD is very even!

And exactly what good is a piece of hardware without a decent driver?

Just this morning at our sysadmin meeting, one of the other sysadmins was complaining that his ATI made his 20" Viewsonic periodically simply blink out for a few seconds, and then blink back on. He said it was a known problem with the drivers, and that the resolution was to dump the ATI and get an nVidia. Since it is a new system, he's going back to the shop that built it for him and asking for a swap out of the video card.

There was also a discussion in the same meeting about a bunch of PCs that periodically would not power back on. They had to be completely unplugged, let rest for a couple of minutes, plugged back in, and then they would restart. Tracking back all the examples and tests, they guessed that it was an interaction between the mother board controlling the power supply and sounded like a bug in the bios. So, again, the "driver" of the hardware appeared to be at fault. But, they weren't going to be choosing that particular hardware configuration again.

So, there's more to winning the market than just building cool hardware. It all has to fit together and work properly. The end user doesn't really care whose fault it is.