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Old 05-13-2005, 01:08 PM   #16
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Or rather : Maybe it's an Idea to offer it to Jeremy for on the Site?
Not sure , but I think such an article/essay would yield a lot of interest.
 
Old 05-13-2005, 08:23 PM   #17
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Sure. I'd be happy to post it somewhere.
 
Old 05-14-2005, 06:39 AM   #18
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If you want to look into the ethical issues of Open Source I would suggest that you take a broader view of Intellectual Property in general, not just software. One good example of the proprietary mindset at its very worst is in the area of GM food. I'm not going to go into all of the conspiracy theories here as this is not the appropriate place but the case of Monsanto V Schmeiser would be a good start. Essentially, GM food is no better, despite the hype, than traditional farming methods. The problem though is that traditional farming cannot be patented while GM products can, meaning that a company that produces a GM seed holds full "rights" to the seed no matter where it grows or how it got there. Even if the farmer that is found growing the seed did not buy the seed and did not plant it he is still liable to the company that owns the patent. Many farmers have been ruined by this abuse of "intellectual property rights." The link above gives much more info than this but personally whenever someone starts complaining about the need to protect their "intellectual property rights" my attention is immediately drawn to stories like the one above. Similar stories from the software world are not unknown.

In the open-source world, there are many motivations for writing software and giving it away for free, ranging from "just doing it for fun" to the more serious, politically-motivated purposes. Regardless, In my opinion there are very valid reasons for only adopting free software that extend way beyond "just doing it for fun" and in fact reach as high as ensuring my own personal freedom to use a computer at all. What would happen if I was to write a small bash script that I only used on my own home computer, I didn't make any money from it, and only used it for personal purposes, only to have a corporate lawyer knocking on my door demanding that I hand over a six-figure sum of money because my script had violated someone's "intellectual property." Better yet, what if I didn't even know the program was there, it had been installed by a virus without my knowledge or consent, and the corporation had discovered it was there by illegally hacking into my computer and taking a look around? Insane? Never going to happen? Perhaps, yet, by analogy, that is exactly what happened to Percy Schmeiser, and don't think no-ones trying to do the same in the computer world.

Writing and using GPL'ed software helps to prevent this situation from occurring, whether or not the user/programmer is aware of the bigger issues, which is why the Linux movement is so important, probably far more important than many of its advocates realise. Maybe in a perfect world, the open-source and proprietary philosophies can co-exist peacefully but patents are too easy to abuse and the bigger the company is that holds them, the easier it is for that company to abuse them.

Sure, so maybe your paper is only dealing with ethical issues in the open-source community itself, but IMHO any article that tries to explain the relevance of the Gnu/Linux movement and the issues surrounding it without at least touching on the more general areas of corporate ethics and patent abuses has missed one of the most important issues involved in the whole scene.

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Old 05-14-2005, 06:25 PM   #19
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reminds me of certain sweet mango , but those bastard FARMERS who can afford laywers on a daily basis claim them all . Actaully the real farmers are the one who plant it firstly , what else can they do ! good land are just right at thier doorstep , every thing out of that are bound to be sweet of course ! .......

just an anology ................
open source without ethical reasoning is just a PRODUCT produced after a cash-flow problem meeting .........
open source without ethical reasoning , if not a social polictical one , is not open source .................


goodluck to your paper

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Old 05-14-2005, 08:45 PM   #20
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open source without ethical reasoning , if not a social polictical one , is not open source .................
That's an interesting observation. I think what you are hitting on is the difference between Open Source and Free Software. This is something I will have to discuss in the paper.
 
Old 05-14-2005, 10:32 PM   #21
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That's an interesting observation. I think what you are hitting on is the difference between Open Source and Free Software. This is something I will have to discuss in the paper.
Or really, the difference between the OSI accepted licenses and what they entail. The BSD license pretty much lets you close up previously existing open code. The entire USB stack for SCO/Unix was ported from NetBSD about 4 years ago and is now technically proprietary code. (wow... SCO, I just got a drop of blood from a stone there).

Pretty much anything I would natter on about has been covered...

Cheers,

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Old 05-15-2005, 12:23 AM   #22
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That's an interesting observation. I think what you are hitting on is the difference between Open Source and Free Software. This is something I will have to discuss in the paper.
sleepisforwimps got me insane and that's why my analogy between mango and software , his posting is a good one .......
 
Old 05-15-2005, 01:42 PM   #23
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I think what you are hitting on is the difference between Open Source and Free Software.
Or how about: Open Source is a business plan, Free Software is an ideology.
 
Old 05-18-2005, 07:05 AM   #24
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I have posted my first draft of the paper. This is the one I'm going to turn in for the class. Because it is a very short class (only three weeks long), I wish I had more time to work on it. Still, if you have any suggestions or comments please let me know. I would be happy to tweak and revise it over the summer.

http://www.simpson.edu/~carlsonp/research.html
 
Old 05-18-2005, 12:26 PM   #25
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Nice first job. I do believe it needs a bit for focus. However, given your time constraint you did an admirable job of tackling a huge issue.

Oh, and you quoted Kurzweil. Cool.
 
Old 05-18-2005, 01:13 PM   #26
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A good read , but I agree with a previous poster in that it could use a bit more focus.
For example : The "1984" and "Fahrenheit451" references I found quite obscure as in ; "WTF has this to do with the Ethics Of Open Source?"
To me it lacked any connection to the main subject.

Mind me ; You still did a far better job , than I could possibly have done.

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Old 05-18-2005, 01:50 PM   #27
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Yeah, I had to basically write the majority of it in one day.... not a good plan. But I would like to polish it up in the future. I wanted it to have the smooth flow like Cathedral and the Bazaar has but it obviously didn't turn out that way. Anyway, I must have been caught up in the moment and was thinking about those books. Maybe I'll delete them in the next version. Thanks for reading it.
 
  


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