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fido_dogstoyevsky 06-30-2021 05:22 AM

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Originally Posted by ondoho (Post 6262562)
...I mean I knew there's flat-earthers, but that website looks so serious, extensive, and well-maintained. How can people who are so obviously deluded have such a well-maintained website, wiki, forum?...

On the other hand, it IS possible to use these beliefs for fun... and a small amount of profit.

Trihexagonal 06-30-2021 05:43 AM

Orgone Accumulator

The Answer to The Answer.

Superman Creator of Hawkwind and Cloud Buster of Kate Bush.

business_kid 06-30-2021 06:06 AM

The flat earthers are an example of the reliability of hyperlinks. I didn't intend anything more.

boughtonp 06-30-2021 07:09 AM

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Originally Posted by business_kid (Post 6262601)
The flat earthers are an example of the reliability of hyperlinks. I didn't intend anything more.

You seem to think people on LQ would take providing the location of a resource as anything other than pointing and saying "there it is"?

(One of the benefits of hypertext over plain text or spoken word is that sources can easily be provided inline without disrupting the flow of a sentence.)


The point previously being made is that when one says "I saw this thing", it doesn't take much to include the address and save multiple others from working out what may or not be being referred to - and this applies as much to posting on LQ as to the "journalists" writing articles which media outlets copy-paste from.


ntubski 06-30-2021 08:16 AM

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Originally Posted by business_kid (Post 6262601)
The flat earthers are an example of the reliability of hyperlinks. I didn't intend anything more.

Indeed, that's a great example of reliability: every a time I click the link it reliably leads me to the same page. :p

business_kid 06-30-2021 08:29 AM

I'm just wary of people saying something is fact and providing a link that "proves" it. The flat earth web site does not prove the earth is flat.

My point was in no way related to LQ or the members thereof.

business_kid 06-30-2021 08:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Trihexagonal (Post 6262597)
Orgone Accumulator

The Answer to The Answer.

Superman Creator of Hawkwind and Cloud Buster of Kate Bush.

Orgone. Aether. Are you a student of 'out of fashion' theories? Do you believe in the tooth fairy?:)

sundialsvcs 06-30-2021 09:46 AM

People use the term "vaccination," but these potions are not a vaccine." They are an extremely dangerous gene-manipulation system which induces the cells of your body to manufacture a toxin. Your body then destroys those cells. But the potions distribute themselves all over your body. Epithelial cells, such as those which line your arteries and veins, are especially susceptible. People have died when all of the platelets in their bloodstream disappeared. Your body is also hit with the burden of getting rid of all of those now-dead cells and can go into fatal shock just from that. The potions can enter your bone marrow and destroy your white blood cells, leaving you immunodeficient ... for the very short remainder of your life. Your body has been tricked into turning against itself and destroying itself.

The Moderna patents - of which Fauci's NIH is a co-owner – were worthless, because laboratory animals were dying in large numbers, sometimes very gruesomely. There was no hope of beginning actual human trials.

But then, Fauci hit upon a "medical emergency," leading to "emergency use authorization," and to facilitate this he deep-sixed the fact that other effective treatments did exist, e.g. HCQ/Zinc. Now the world has at least nineteen new billionaires, and over 7,000 new corpses, and over 100,000 people who suffered grievous injuries. But, since Fauci also arranged things so that these companies could not be sued, his only goal now is to keep the lucrative hysteria going on forever, and to make sure that people continue to call it "vaccination," and to believe that some authority found them to be "safe and effective." They are neither.

Millions of people are being deceived and many are suffering horrific consequences. All in the name of M - O - N - E - Y.

michaelk 06-30-2021 10:41 AM

Most of the previous claims have been debunked, are not true and just rantings of the right wing media or maybe anti-vaxers.

Yes, there are side affects from the vaccine that may be due to underlying conditions or just a rare adverse event. As far as I know the epithelial cell or bone marrow problems are a immune response to getting COVID 19 and not the vaccine.

Yes, I am fully vaccinated. The delta variant for those not vaccinated and with summer camps in full swing could be or is becoming the next chapter.

hazel 06-30-2021 10:57 AM

Potions! Is this the wizarding world of Harry Potter that we are in?

I had two shots of the Pfizer vaccine (which is an RNA vaccine like Moderna) and I'm still alive and in rude health. My blood clots normally so obviously I have a normal supply of platelets. I'm not immunodeficient either: no sign of herpes or thrush.

Yes, some companies have made a lot of money out of this, and that's something that I don't like at all. I'm no friend to "Big Pharma". But in this country, the death rate from covid is down to single figures, thanks to vaccination of us oldies, even though the infection rate is climbing steadily among young, unvaccinated people. That is surely something to be thankful for.

igadoter 06-30-2021 11:44 AM

We just all waiting for spread of Delta variant. I told my neighbor yesterday that 99,9% percent of population in Poland was infected. Some got sicknesses. Other didn't even notice. But it is like trial of successes and failures. In some year - almost for sure I will get sickness. Bad. How bad? Vaccines were tested against strain from 2019 - probably. But there are so many new strains now. And no one can tell which of be most troublesome in future. We really should focus much more on searching for good medicine to help cure people sick of complication: pneumonia etc. I am sure 10% of money spent on vaccination program will be completely enough. But as I posted earlier, in some place. we can learn only on paying huge price for our mistakes.

hazel 06-30-2021 11:49 AM

It is mostly the Indian Delta variant that we have here now. Hence the surge in infections; it's very transmissible. But there has been no corresponding surge in hospitalisation. And those who do go into hospital are treated on a ward for a few days, and then go home. They don't need to go into intensive care.

business_kid 06-30-2021 02:25 PM

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Originally Posted by hazel (Post 6262713)
It is mostly the Indian Delta variant that we have here now. Hence the surge in infections; it's very transmissible. But there has been no corresponding surge in hospitalisation. And those who do go into hospital are treated on a ward for a few days, and then go home. They don't need to go into intensive care.

Yeah, but you have vaccinated loads of folks in the older age groups. We in the EU are a bit behind you. Ireland has ≅20% of the Indian variant. (Funny how nobody minds me saying 'Indian variant,' as long as I don't mention the 'UK Variant;:))

Give us a month on that, and I reckon Ireland will have the overwhelming majority of the newer variant too. This Government is not really capable of making it's minds up (It's an unlikely Coalition). We're progressing on the variants and have some surplus vaccines going out to younger folks. The difference here is the newst variant needs two vaccine doses to be immune, so I hear. A lot only have 1,.

sundialsvcs 06-30-2021 05:12 PM

I politely acknowledge and fully accept any and all of the preceding comments which appear to object to any point that I have made – and to the right of everyone to have made them. I have no further comment.

Except this:

Hazel – "the human body is a wonderful thing," and no two of them are actually alike. I'm grateful that you suffered no ill effects. However, "your body is not mine." I get to assess the risks, as I see them with regard to me, exactly as you do with regard to you.

If there ever was a "The Buck Stops Here™" moment, it is simply this one: "my body, my decision." The only one that I get to use before my life ends without warn??XYZQ@3$...

boughtonp 06-30-2021 05:26 PM

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Originally Posted by business_kid (Post 6262746)
Funny how nobody minds me saying 'Indian variant,' as long as I don't mention the 'UK Variant

There's a difference between minding and thinking saying anything will make any difference.

Is there any point stating that there are six significant variants first detected in the UK and three significant variants first detected in India? Previously it might have been argued that the precise Pango naming was too technical, but since we now have the WHO's label of "Delta" there is no such excuse; if people still choose to attribute it to India, that would seem to be a deliberate choice...



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