What does 666 mean?

These chips should be boycotted for civil rights reasons, but we see that this 666 myth is all what denial is about. It's an unintentional good side effect. The problem is that people still believe in the apocalypse. Every time a natural disaster happens, we have these shepherds like Pat Robertson messing with everyone's spiritual well-being. I cannot believe in a religion based on fear and blackmail

What does 666 mean? 666 is the mark of the devil, which at the end of the world will be put (in some form, be it a computer chip) on a person's hand or forehead, those who don't take it will be persecuted, probably tortured and then murdered. And that's were we find out who the REAL Christians are, those that resist.
Do you think Christians are crazy? To dye for their beliefs? I would, with you-know-who's help.

It isn't based on fear and blackmail, The problem is their are always quite a few hypocrites (you mentioned Pat Robertson), but it is NOT based on fear and blackmail, it's just that some people who call themselves Christians are like that and make the rest look bad. That's ho it is in a lot of things, it's the way of life.

I'm not trying to get into a religious debate, although their fun. I'm just clarifying a couple of things for you, to help you understand better.

Damnit, I knew my bank was lying to me when they encouraged to imbed my debit card into my hand for ease of financial transactions..

At least now I won't be tortured then murdered..

Well, we can think that christian politicians will be against these chips for religious reasons. But it has been implanted on prisoners and (at least in the UK) on many kids to track them.

The best reason so far to reject these schemes is of freedom. Democracy is a stone on their shoes to these politicians that want to be our big brother. Why don't they leave it to the people this decision and throw it away once and for all?
We're living with this end-of-the-world fear in the western world. I hope many years from now we'll experience some disappointment because it has not happened yet. Do we feeble humans deserve a life in hell because we were stupid enough to sell our freedom? Can't eternal fire wash away the stains of our souls?

I do believe in a God that does not need us to bow our heads. There's a trilogy called "conversations with God" from Neale Donald Walsch. They are great books (no new-age s**t). Many things that we'd consider with horror have happened in this universe and many more will happen. God is the silent witness of thermo-nuclear explosions of stars and he will keep playing with big bangs forever. I guess it was Nietzsche who said that He created everything to his eternal enjoyment. At least this comforts me more that the idea of being his guinea pigs for sainthood.

Tricky wrote:

" So what would you classify each person's Social Security number as? What about the large credit system that banks and companies have to keep tabs on your financial status? I don't think any type of system would be very hard to maintain and control in today's world with the present technology. Our own government knows more about you than you know about yourself.. "

Ssn cards, Debit cards & Credit cards are one thing...but RFID chiping and monitoring is another.

As you can see from the numerous posts citing religious distaste for the idea, Cost is still the prohibitive factor.

Simply put, it costs a LOT of money to operate and maintain the existing Banking & credit card systems. Plus RFID chips have a life span that is less then five years.

How long until they standardize the format (That could take years!)

In my mind chiping is simply not going to happen unless there is a practical and cost effective way of implementing the technology.

Finally even if it where to roll out someday...like all things electrical it would be prone to malfuctions, tampering and unauthorized duplication.

Personally I am more worried about the black market in human organs and the ripper docs who harvest them then I am about RFID and enslavement to some super authority.

I mean illegal organ harvesting is something that is happening right now.

Sort of puts things into perspective doesn't?

Thorn

So now days you can get your newborn implanted with a chip in their foot for tracking, so if they are ever kidnapped, etc, they can easily be found.

An RFID system wouldn't cost that much, no more than that vast Debit and Credit system we already have. And your SSN already holds more info than you realize, so it's a pretty big network of info on each person. I don't see implanting a chip for identificatoin purposes and tracking would yield that much more maintenance or cost. Technology is only advancing, sooner or later a system could probably run itself with little interaction from humans.

Maybe we should move this discussion to intoxicated shadows.

This discussion has nothing to do with that site. So I fail to see your point or motive? If you want to continue the discussion, by all means, discuss but don't get personal or change the topic just cause I don't agree with your opinion or views, I'm challenging them cause I don't feel an RFID system would be a system too costly to manage.

Now let's move on before this thread gets closed due to your actions, don't like this, contact the administrator as right now I'm acting as a Moderator of this site and not a regular member who was participating in this discussion.

We still don't know what 666 means. So "Ronald Reagan" does not fit now?

Let's quote Nietzsche's "Antichrist" to dissect this non-sense:

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This book is really good (I own a decent spanish translation). Nietzsche hints at the disturbing idea that the cross represents a denial of everything that is human (as the only way to attain God).


http://turn.to/nietzsche

1. This thread doesn't discuss intoxicated shadows. Which is correct. I am not changing the subject of the conversation by mentioning the site.

I am meerly suggesting a change of dialogue venue because the LQ mods have yellow flagged this thread already.

And after visiting the intoxicated shadows website I felt it might be appropriate to move this discussion there.

2. I am not getting "personel" with you just because I disagree with your statements.

3. You should not assume that everyone who disagrees with you is hostile to you.

Now to return to the discussion at hand:

Chipping is humans not like chipping livestock. Humans tend to move around and do stupid, strange and unpredictable things.

Sure you may have people who like to stay in one place but there are a lot of people who wander around. Take the gypsies for instance, they roam around a lot. What kind of advantage does chipping them provide?

People like gypsies don't have bank accounts or credit cards. The only people interested in chipping gypsies would be European law enforcement. Which would then cross the line of civil right abuse because the people forced to submit to mandatory identification would discriminated against.

Manditory Universal Identification is kind creepy because it is very similar to what the Nazi's did in world war two.

In fact I would go so far as to say that the Nazi pursuit of ethnic cleansing is what caused the Germans to lose the second world war.

The cost is Chipping is not always monetary. There is a very real social cost associated with this type of technology.

Chipping would probably evolve into a sort of caste system where members of various castes would be identified by their RF transponders.

So I stand by my claim that the technology is too expensive for practical use in a freedom loving society.

Thorn

Actually you are. A link I have in my signature has nothing to do with this topic or discussion. The site mentioned in my link is in regards to the environment, not RFID chips imbedded into people for tracking purposes.

As far as I know, this thread was dead until recently revived. Also being a moderator, this thread has not been discussed or brought up in any moderator/administrator discussion since it got revived. I never saw a problem with this thread since it was created, it has never been flagged to my knowledge.

Perhaps you should read sites you visit a little more carefully as this thread and it's topic has nothing to do with environmental issues.

It sure seems that way, instead of contributing to the discussion you try to avoid it by stating the topic should be moved not only to a new forum on this site but to a totally irrelevant site that I happen to own and operate, from which is linked from my signature, which any member is titled to do so if they so desire.

I don't, but you seemed to give that impression with your own reply in which you asked to move the discussion to a totally irrelevant site that I happened to own, so I then took that to a personal level that I never reached when discussing the topic at hand here in this forum and thread, along with the opinions/views you brought up that I happened to disagree with in a polite manner. I have no earthly idea why you would think this topic needs to be moved to a site mainly about the environment.

So now, back on topic. As a Moderator, I prohibit anyone from discussing this online in this thread or site any further. If you want to discuss this further, email me privately. I'll make this a first and final warning. That goes for anyone else as well.