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Originally Posted by Arcane
This quote is from MGTOW|WGTOW nonsense lolsense? Why are you focusing only on childbirth? That is one end of extreme. Without society, who was built by men muscle with assistance from women beauty, who protects from outside jungle where muscle is also required to survive, that fact that woman can give life would be irrelevant. There would be no kids..no women..no men.. Yin-Yang ! But it is true. Women and Men are not truly equal..but that comes down to nature not society. In society they should be more or less equal as long as they can execute free will choices without force or trickery etc.
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I am focusing on childbirth because it's the chief difference between men and women, and you talk about extremes, yet you are proposing an extinction event where life is impossible.
Men have a worth and great ability, physically, outside of childbirth often (generally, even) exceeding women, but women are still biologically worth more.
Yes, if there were no men, if there was no protection, if there was a meteor about to strike the earth dead, then, yes, it's irrelevant for women to be able to BRING LIFE INTO A UNIVERSE SO HOSTILE TO IT THAT WE HAVE SEVERAL DILEMMAS ABOUT WHERE THE ALIENS ARE IF THE UNIVERSE IS AS HUGE AS IT IS.
Life is also quite possible without the protection of males, there's quite a few species out there were the males die in one way or another or just become vestigal skintags on some female (like the anglerfish lol).
We just happen to have a more complex environment where men can make a difference. For a salmon male, who will just burn out himself after mating, and dies, or a salmon female who will live on to continue to species, the bear makes no difference, both die equally. Not for us and many other animals, but even in our system, the females are still biologically more precious and them giving birth intrinsically IS the thing that sets them apart from men in the MOST TELLING and DEFINITE way.
Without childbirth you get an, on average, smaller, less dangerous man.
Imagine in a completely stable and safe and protected tribe, the women suddenly stopped, all of them, birthing children. That's a lot more dangerous than if all men started cloudwatching all day and avoiding any sort of dangerous activity.
You'd still have women, a woman can still throw a spear or shoot and arrow or seduce a marauding warlord and slip poison in their water or kill them in their sleep, etc.
But if those women decided "these wombs are barren forever now, beat it, busters" then the tribe would flat out die out, even if the tribe were superhuman mutants with superpowers and invincibility otherwise, as long as they could die from old age, etc, then that tribe would be dashed out.
A reason why I fear school itself more than any shooting that might happen in one, if one school started grooming children into things that culminated into some bloodline ending mindset, wholesale, where most if not all girls and boys end up growing up loathing the idea of babies on top of the already GARBAGE environment for them, then that has the potential to kill a whole lot more people than another shooting.
How's that for an extreme opinion? If you teach people to 'consciously and willingly' sterilize themselves, end their bloodlines, then you do just that, every potential life from those people that might have otherwise sprang forth is irrevocably gone.
And that's such a BASIC biological thing, yet, we already see the inklings of it. You might think I already see doomsdays in my eyes with so much I've already said, but, no it's still good enough that the 'normies' can carry this disease, but it might get worse as time passes.
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I'm not a christian, but anyway, I think most people confused today are arguing from an already damaged standpoint of artificial differences, like "boys wear blue" "boys are not supposed to cry", etc.
Since these things are incredibly recent (I doubt some peasants so poor that they had to eat bread made from moldy rye and going into throes of agonizing sores and necrotic flesh who had to keep doig it like rabbits to keep the farmstead running even had the means to dye anything blue ... )
But I see them all the time.
Brain gender...brain gender, a tomboy is a still female, even if she's the tommest tomboy to ever tom around boys. It's normal. Just like being a meek boy built close to the water with empathy out the wazoo who cries when people step on ants.
Crossdressers are still their own gender, 'trans' people, just as much, and I doubt any of them actually have insight about how the other sex feels, that's my personal opinion though, that one I couldn't cite any studies even if I tried, but I do think that we should tread lightly and not do a riverdance about that topic where everything just flies out of the window.
I forgot the name of the book about if we really are concious since most things, even if we think about them, don't actually seem to be 'actuated' consciously, no matter how loud our voice in our head is (and apparently some people don't have a 'thinking voice', so that makes that even more difficult).
Back in the days, before even the first forays into psychology, it seems (again, I forgot the book, it had citations...) that antique people thought their own thoughts were the gods, warning them about things, or giving them guidance. They didn't see it as concious thought because their everyday tasks could be done by just, well, doing them.
So, if you ask me, I think we should stay as close to the basics that work as possible, because, again, what I keep talking about *works*, it has worked throughout time, that's why we are all here to defend or fight it. Because our collective mothers and fathers did this simple trick and now give us a chance to debate how little or much sense that makes,etc.
And I still stand by my opinion that this technology, this bio technology is robust enough to keep it working and instead grab the ones who are equipped for it but don't think they are what they are, to reign them back into it, just because they "think" they're different, which I have a hard time believing, and since a lot of them end up as "cishet stereotypes" anyway, then I think that they think the same way anyone who doesn't know thinks.
Common "what if" thing I've seen on forums and whatnot through the ages.
"If you woke up as a woman, what would you do?"
The top answer, so far, has always been things pertaining to the flesh and actions done to aforementioned flesh.
So, yeah I'm not surprised if "I'm really a woman, I know it!" Ends up looking like a gaudy mannequin that was sentenced to makeup via HomerSimpsonMakeupShotgunExecution™, etc.
And women going completely shorn and necktied and bound up, to the point where I have more ample bosoms than they have. Guess I'm a girl now.
But at the same time, they have to deal with people who flat out say they are the opposite sex while sporting a stereotypical textbook body of their actual gender, and those are legitimized, too.
So, why do the "surgery and binders" people try so hard to achieve a "male" or "female" body when looking like a baywatch model, is perfectly male or female?
This woman that looks like a male olympic GOD swimmer is a woman, she is completely and utterly womanly in this chiseled male flesh shell. So why did the other guy need implants and 10 tonnes of makeup as well as a willisectomy to be a woman?
It's nonsense, especially if this feeling of confusion comes from "Well, I always liked painting my nails as a boy", bruh, breh, brotato, painted nails are just pretty and that tech wasn't even around for most of human history, your sex was, though.
Were you only able to get confused because we have makeup easily available now? Because we have easily available bodices that make adams apples bob up like fish in a pond around feeding time?
Is it because we have industrially available flesh shaping tape that can give your jawline a doll like, feminine look? Is that were your confusiong comes from?
I, personally, think, yes, without these things, people would not be confused, these external things.
If I were unhappy because of the world and my only solace would be asphyxiating the poultry, not even because I'm currently named Randy, but just because it's some sort of "good feeling", and there's a catalogue in front of me filled with toys and tools that can even transform a schlub with a dad bod into something presentable and sexy, who knows?
Maybe I'd order that feather boa, too. Do it in style, oh yes, that's much better. Hey, if its more fun like this, then maybe I'm actually a woman...?
No. And I'm not saying that's what happens every time, but:
With the knowledge, or at least, the good guess (in my opinion) that many of the differences people use to dance around the fire of simple biological processes that have been proven to work as good as possible (not perfect, we do have malfunctions that birth all sorts of aberrations, some subtle, some incredibly messed up to the point of super short lifespans), are fake, like "Oh, I was a tomboy and wore pants." (Cause I grew up with 7 brothers, but that detail might be omitted in the incredibly brave story of Bruce, now 'male' etc)
That we should perhaps look at the environment at large and really look if it's not something else that confuses people.
For example, suicides not related to the gender thing, or depression.
"Oh boy I'm so depressed, glub glub mhh...pills, gotta fix my chemistry" which is all fair and good, but maybe, just maybe, the world is being a legitimate AHOLE in some way, and depression is completely fair to experience, especially with the added stress of "gotta put up a good face, can't cry, can't cry" for men or "if I cry I'll just be another whiny beeznatch" for women ...who have to deal with these FAKE additional stressors because these fakes have been established as 'real' for so long now.
Etc, you get the point, I'm sure.
Also, I, of course, agree with legal equality, but ...that, again, can be its own term, which can be as wordy as it wants.
"In our system of law, the law of America (and that's fine ,such a thing would be fine. Just like it's fine to say "our system of philosophy is founded on Greek teachings!") we not favor either of the sexes over the other when it comes to decisions pertaining to it." etc, that's totally cool like that.
It's not "gender equality", because that's too vague and false, it is, instead, what it is, what I just wrote. Now you get all the "gender equality" where it matters, without having to deal with people like me, who fire up the grill with BASICS, which must now be fought, lest the house of fake cards comes down.
And that's kind of vexing, if you think about it, because it exploits a basic human behavior in a malicious way.
We don't want to LOSE anything, we hate LOSING progress we have accrued. So this tactic, of building up something, that makes sense on a sleepy, superficial level, slowly, over time feels more and more solid (despite not growing in solidity, but only on the catalogue of apologetism for it), and then people don't want to lose that.
It's some sort of wicked gaslighting that, til now, has caused so many deaths and suffering and degeneration that I can't even grasp it. The evil of this (and agaim, that's just my opinion, and i'm not a christian, etc lol) is staggering to me.
And numbness to evil CAN happen, easily.
Here, since I'm already lol, popular with my contentious thoughts.
Male circumcision...
If you think about it without being on whatever process people are on who don't have a problem with it... it is done via this procedure:
First, you have to have an insane mother, who, instead of protecting her newborn, betrays it, and hands it over to a doctor, who also betrays the newborn (because, do not harm, etc) all under the unwatchful eye, of a weak father, who lets it happen, too...
Then, this newborn, this little tiny helpless infant that just wants to suckle on moms milk and be warm in her arms, gets a metal instrument put to his 'designed' by nature, tightly wrapped up at that age, genital, has that skin yanked up with this instrument, and then a piece of flesh, well, skin (but you slice off a patch of skin and tell me if you like the prospect) gets sliced off, irrevocably removing tissue and nerve endings, and giving it a lifelong scar that has a higher chance of complication than phimosis does with the pliable skin...
And nobody bats an eye.
A process, that turns three pillars of welfare into the OPPOSITE form that I can only ...think be worse if they straight up killed the child instead of just mutilating it...
For nothing, nothing substantial..but it's okay because they "grow up just fine" right? (And so would a child if you clipped off a toe or two, etc, or blind it, or chop off an ear, they'd deal with it...)
This creates a situation, where the family dog, Rover, has more legal protection against wanton mutilation, than the newborn son, because you're not allowed to dock the tail or crop the ears of a dog, at least not just like that.
This is incredibly evil, it's bafflingly evil, that the weakest of us have a fate like this, depending on the region or belief, and it's considered no big deal, despite the huge betrayal this entails...
And, if this gender bender stint continues, where people are allowed to mutilate themselves even further, including sterilization, the removal of the procreation bits...
Then the counter argument of "well, we spay and neuter or dogs, so nyeh!" falls away, too!
Ri.Di.Cu.Lous.
So, yeah, ...I think we're a little bit crazy, to say the least...and we should turn it down a bit, instead of going too nuts with things we don't even think about too much anymore.
Prudence, man, not prudeness, prudence...
But, once more, this is all retro stuff I'm talking about it, things that we just forgot about because of constantly repeating lies.
Circumcisions would go down and probably never be instated again if people stopped for a while until it's forgotten, only because they're being propagated, needlessly, do they continue. They are aberrations, etc.
So, yeah,if you want to fight the evil of the world, then really sit down and pick the actual fights that make sense, if you can, as much as you can. I don't know if I'm right about anything up there, it's just what I arrived at after thinking things through and looking at humanity and society, etc.
In my opinion I have managed to dodge some ghost enemies, red herrings and I am pretty convinced that the things I push for are actual issues, and from my experience, I have seen very little recourse in opposition because it's hard to counter, and if it's hard to counter because it's built into 'our natural state', then I think that's a good path.
That's my views, they are no christian or whatever (although I am quite the retro pagan, emphasis on retro, but that's another can of worms full of misconceptions that are now seen as truth, have some people react to it with jeers about headhunting and child sacrifice...which has never happend, well the headhunting did, but that was collecting the skulls and legbones of their own people, not the enemy...)
I just think the world as it is right now is a bit nuts and going back to a more sensible standpoint would not hurt, especially if all the fake hurdles in the way (like blue and pink and whatnot) were just disregarded.
And I want people to live well..and continue this miraculous species that we are...
Oh yeah!
P.S.:
I would like to point out the biggest strength, imho, of my way.
My way of changing things is based on NOT DOING some things. Not propagating falsehoods so the buildin truths can resurface again.
How could that not be the best deal ever? Do something positive, by NOT DOING something else.
I propose fixes that rely on NOT doing some things anymore. How is that not the sweetest gig ever?