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Old 09-11-2020, 03:50 PM   #16
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The last hundred years has proven that life in a communist country sucks. Why go back to that? I'm sure Germany has maybe the best way of dealing with pay for top to bottom. US companies overpay the top and underpay the bottom workers.

Anyway I guess a private company can provide sewage and drinking water. Would be safer to have some government laws that say don't mix the two.
BINGO! The problem as I see it is that The Social Contract in the US is only sketched out in basic terms in The Constitution and Bill of Rights. It needs to be more explicit and specific as well as updated to reflect modern conditions that couldn't be even dreamed of in 1787.

Citizens give up certain abilities, concerns and rights as payment to The Whole in return for the safety guarantees that only a large group can possibly provide and not one that can be compromised by conflict of interest. Conflict of interest is one valid reason that both Criminal and Civil Law as well as Healthcare (who doubts this after Covid?) need to be handled by Government since a private enterprise is not impartial and does routinely need to respond to conflict of interest.

We are seeing such conflict of interest wreak considerable havoc today with just one example being private, for profit, prisons. There are many more not the least of which is Big Pharma and Big Oil. I'm not 100% but I do strongly suspect the Lobby System actually needs to be completely dismantled.

Whatever else, it needs to be spelled out in clear terms.
 
Old 09-24-2020, 05:48 PM   #17
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Libertarian (generally) against: drug laws, as 'victimLESS'. A consequence:

Everyone who doesn't like/support
the government killing of Breonna Taylor
should (IMHO) come to realize:

(I think)
this shooting
wouldn't have happened
with a Libertarian gov't.

Victim-LESS 'crime', isn't (per Libertarian)
(Drug sales being 'bad' is not the debate here.)

Book: Hostile Takeover
Resisting Centralized Government's Stranglehold on America
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Old 09-24-2020, 09:37 PM   #18
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I can tell you have never lived in a high crime area. Last month 100 or so folks were murdered in Chicago. Every major city suffers from violent crime like murders, rapes and robberies. The police there don't have time for petty drug issues.

Breonna Taylor lived in a crummy part of town where violence is common. The jury said that the police are faced with the most violent criminals each and every second of their life. They had the obligation to use force. If you want to live in that area a year and report back let me know. You may wish to bring a bullet resistant house.

I'm all for Libertarian ideals but not at the expense of civil unrest. Letting crooks run wild is not a solution you can live with.
 
Old 09-25-2020, 03:13 AM   #19
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Just FTR Jefro no Libertarian I've ever met, read about or heard about advocates "letting crooks run wild in the streets"... even if they wear blue uniforms and carry badges. One of the cops in that case unloaded his firearm through a curtained window with zero visibility inside. Do you suppose he would have done that in "the Burbs" let alone in a gated community? The main reason "high crime areas" occur is housing projects where welfare exists instead of education, equality, and opportunity.
 
Old 09-25-2020, 06:05 PM   #20
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Maybe high crime areas are full of people that are crooks? I've lived in many countries where the people were actually poor. They were not crooks. I grew up in Detroit. So, maybe I am jaded.

Yes, a faction of libertarians do believe in total removal of all government. You might seen them driving with hand painted car plates and avoiding to pay income taxes. I have seen a few removed from where I work for stunts like that. They don't return.

As for how a person(cop) reacts then I'd have to say this. If you were putting your fingers near 12v or near 600v, do you believe you'd be way more cautious with the 600v?? Everyone views risks and takes actions.

Don't get me wrong. I never want to see anyone die except from old age. The top ways people die are not old age.
 
Old 09-26-2020, 02:26 AM   #21
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Hello again jefro, hope you're staying healthy and happy

You may well be right about the Libertarian Party since it is not the same as it was 5, 10, 20, 40 years ago. In fact the whole political scene has changed and not likely in a good way. Some people callinv themselves Libertarians are more like Anarchists because everything seems to be moving toward the radicals. This is true on the other end of the spectrum, too. It looks certain that some ultra Left interests are capitalizing on anything they can latch onto to coopt emotionally moving events, like much of BLM and AntiFA, to further their agenda, taking a well-meaning response and upping the ante and twisting it.

There can be no doubt that areas of concentration of poor minorities are more dangerous and that the news we get is biased into BiPolar opinion. It is also true that economic and social pressures that still exist since before the Civil War make that an extremely slow to change environment that needs fixing. On the other side Police need to be better trained so they can defuse situations more often and better instead of causing them to escalate and spin out of control. There are indeed "fake news" incidents on both sides but there is also a deep need to actually fix such issues instead or knee-jerk reactions that only inflame them.

Those taking advantage of these cracks in the system on the Left and those on the Right that are actively advocating "just putting then down like rabid dogs" are endangering the very underpinnings that have any positive effects on our society. Many of those on both sides also believe we are approaching End Times and they are making it a possibly self-fulfilling prophesy. Somebody has to stand up for actual sanity. I'm trying.
 
Old 11-07-2020, 04:11 PM   #22
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I was RIGHT: all VALID ballots
Contained: not a watermark (cool hoax)
But an RFID full Linux system!
DHS console shows true count!!!

Seriously tho,
I am sincerely concerned that:
The huge celebrations will be exponential 'super-spreaders'.

Affirmation (wish->certainty):
PERFECT everything to&for ALL.
And 'SO' it IS.
 
  


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