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Old 08-16-2020, 11:31 AM   #1
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Can Linux count the vote? Defund USPS? No, ALL gov't!


If everyone was setting out buckets of Halloween candy $USPS
But if a few were taking most all of it and *living off* of what they took,
And someone came along &said:
This is ridiculous! Let's abolish that practice!
Should the few beneficiaries be able to silence&stop that [Truth-]Trumpeter?

I wish I knew how to: use Linux to totally *defund* all government.


If you'd rather help me learn C++, I could use lynx (Goo4 links) that very simply explain:
Stroustrup's Tour 2e mid p.4 :
T(T<x>) i.e. the sudden <> confuse me.
I'm digging into class templates....


Or if you're more of a CLI hacker, how do I terminate a man page but leave the highlighted info ON the screen?
So far, I go to another window and kill -9 both the man and the pager process
(And null-Redirect standard error in the original man command, to get rid of some error messages)
 
Old 08-17-2020, 01:45 AM   #2
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I wish I knew how to: use Linux to totally *defund* all government.
Be careful what you wish for. Surely you don't actually believe in total anarchy? There's only 2 ways to resolve any conflict. Simply put, would you prefer being raped over being seduced? Neither may be 100%, but one is most certainly preferable. It all boils down to weapons or votes. Choose carefully.
 
Old 08-17-2020, 12:52 PM   #3
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In my libertarian Utopia,
The ownership of personal property and safety
Would be 100% strictly and totally enforced
By private services, with no bureaucratic waste and indecisiveness.
 
Old 08-17-2020, 03:26 PM   #4
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I'd settle for *defunding* some quasi-monopolistic multicorps that are definitely in bed with one or several governments.
 
Old 08-17-2020, 06:21 PM   #5
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In my libertarian Utopia,
The ownership of personal property and safety
Would be 100% strictly and totally enforced
By private services, with no bureaucratic waste and indecisiveness.
Just FTR for about a decade I subscribed to The Freeman and twice voted for Libertarian candidates in Presidential Elections so I understand and like most of what Libertarian used to stand for. I have considerable confidence that when "dollars = votes" Capitalism seems the Economic equivalent of Democracy. However there are problems with some areas being driven purely by the immediate and monetary only profit incentive. If your protections are there by hire, it is all too easy for your protector to switch to a higher paying client lawfullness notwithstanding and your property and safety become negotiable. You'd better be very rich and powerful in that system.
 
Old 08-21-2020, 07:41 AM   #6
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OP reads like word salad to me.
 
Old 09-09-2020, 10:32 AM   #7
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OP reads like word salad to me.
sounds like a pretty good representation of propertarian "libertarianism" (really quite an Orwellian name, as laissez-faire capitalism is in truth pure slavery) then, no?
 
Old 09-09-2020, 01:01 PM   #8
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Pure Freedom is Pure Slavery? Yup, a perfect example of Orwellian Doublespeak as well as Hysterical Blindness.
 
Old 09-09-2020, 08:59 PM   #9
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QNX is on many of the automated voting machines.

However if you get rid of government then you don't need to count any votes.
 
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“The Probability Broach” by L. Neil Smith is the definitive description of the OPs position, IMO. Read it. Let us know what you think.
A return to individual, private responsibility for our actions is not anarchy.
The idea is not to “get rid of government,” but to put it back into the hands of the citizens.

That said, I can’t picture “we the people” ever agreeing to go there. To minimize the government requires individuals accepting responsibility for every action they take. Don’t see that happening in our current culture.
 
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Pure Freedom is Pure Slavery? Yup, a perfect example of Orwellian Doublespeak as well as Hysterical Blindness.
There's nothing the least bit "free" about a social order that forces you to submit yourself to the will of another (whether it be your boss, the shareholders, or your customers) in order to have access to the material requirements of survival.

Freedom means an absolute and unconditional guarantee of an equal share of social wealth.
 
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That might be true in Fantasyland, but in an actual civilization just how do you propose "access to the material requirements of survival" unless literally everyone owns land and works solely as a farmer? Capitalism is fundamentally freedom because it recognizes the right of any and every one to start a business or work for someone they choose. The only restrictions have to do with The Social Contract.

Unfortunately since we never start with a level playing field, over time the old adage "The rich get richer and the poor get poorer" tends to evolve as business chips away at government to enact favorable legislation. Even despite that major problem that does indeed require a solution, one only has to look around the world to see the difference in effects of Capitalism versus every other system. No other system promotes prosperity for everyone faster or more effectively than the Free Market.

If you'd like to see a growing concept and option to cure the ills that do exist you might enjoy this Ted Talk... or you might get really triggered. That depends on how much you think for yourself.

--- The Dirty Secret of Capitalism ---
 
Old 09-10-2020, 01:16 PM   #13
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sounds like a pretty good representation of propertarian "libertarianism" (really quite an Orwellian name, as laissez-faire capitalism is in truth pure slavery) then, no?
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There's nothing the least bit "free" about a social order that forces you to submit yourself to the will of another (whether it be your boss, the shareholders, or your customers) in order to have access to the material requirements of survival.

Freedom means an absolute and unconditional guarantee of an equal share of social wealth.
You do realise that the post you are reacting to is this one:
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OP reads like word salad to me.
...simply and unpolitically/unphilosophically stating that they do not understand what OP is on about. I tend to agree.
 
Old 09-10-2020, 03:53 PM   #14
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Freedom means an absolute and unconditional guarantee of an equal share of social wealth.
How is that even possible let alone justifiable? and Freedom for whom and at whose expense? Do you actually believe a Janitor, let alone a bum, should get paid as much as the heads of companies, whether corporations or Mom & Pop stores? Pay needs to be commensurate with risk and role. We get out in direct proportion to what we put in. Anything different is indentured servitude on the low end and extortion gouging on the other, and that applies to ANY economic system including Capitalism. Any that cross that line are greedy offenders in any system.

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Old 09-10-2020, 05:05 PM   #15
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The last hundred years has proven that life in a communist country sucks. Why go back to that? I'm sure Germany has maybe the best way of dealing with pay for top to bottom. US companies overpay the top and underpay the bottom workers.

Anyway I guess a private company can provide sewage and drinking water. Would be safer to have some government laws that say don't mix the two.
 
  


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