There might be some LQ readers as interested as I am about the killing of President Kennedy years ago on November 22. I have started reading Russ Baker's stuff here:

http://whowhatwhy.org/2013/09/16/par...igence-agency/

Undoubtedly a "hit," but I've never believed that CIA did it. European newspapers promptly described it as "a right-hand man coup d'etat," and I believe that they were absolutely correct.

"In Dallas, no less."

Typical Texan . . .

I grew up in Boston Massachusetts and before JFK was elected folks were worried that he would be killed if he won!! "
Play the game our way or die " has always been the rule of those calling the shots here!!

Yeah, he stepped on too many toes, it would have surprised me if they hadn't assassinated him.

I'll speak of two factors.

One, as the cleaner in waiting to the largest private firearms collection the Carcano must be Italian for Badly Done Bolt Rifle. It is horribly machined, not reliable, and incapable of shooting quickly enough plus the reload. It is not even capable of consistent 2-2.5" groups at 100 yards, the maximum standard of the day for a sniping weapon platform.
Further, the bolts must have been made by a half-brain dead drunken monkey. You can hardly open it as many talented marksmen have proved over the years and shut it easily or quickly. A Beretta it is not.

Second, remember great granddaddy Bush was a nazi financier and free masonic fiend; grandson Bush II is a member if the satanic secret fraternity, and was open about it, Skull & Bones. Grandaddy Bush, former D/CIA & President, cannot recall his whereabouts on 22 Nov. The matter is so classified two sources with top secret clearances are unaware of certain details as only the POTUS is privy to that knowledge. The public will never this side of heaven realize the truth.

Do not ask who they are as they may or may not exist. Many USG assets have gone dead for exposing the tiniest scrap about this matter. Tread carefully.

Personally, I don't see much "deep and dark Arkane Mysteryes" about this incident. Both Jack and Bobby thought that they could take-on the world of power and change it through the supposed authority of the Presidency ... and both of them died for it. (Youngest brother Teddy wised-up in time, and abandoned his own brief bid for the office.)

The murder of JFK was a classic "hit," and of course it was a conspiracy of many people. The President of the United States(!) was put in the same car as another of LBJ's sworn political enemies, in Dallas, Texas, and the plan was to dispose of both Jack and Gov. Connally in one stroke ... and to blame the whole thing on a patsy. (But the strict orders were, "do not touch Jackie!," and Jackie's moves to grab a fragment of her husband's skull(!) probably saved the Governor from a fatal shot.)

In retrospect, not much of the situation was terribly difficult to understand. In Dallas, the President(!), in an armored car without(!) its armor, is engineered to drive slowly(!) through a cul-de-sac(!). Nope, it was an obvious set-up. And the "patsy?" Heh... naive to the very end.

LBJ was satisfied with the results of the day: the most vexing of his enemies was disposed of, and everybody was watching the patsy as he unceremoniously dumped his enemy's rocking chair out of what had now become h-i-s office.

It is ironic, then, that he was elected to only one term in office, after having served-out his enemy's term.

From whom was the order given to save Jackie Kennedy alive?

We will never know, of course, but the political advantages of doing so are obvious: she was "the grieving widow" who neatly encompassed the grief of a nation. Had she also been killed, she would have become the focus of public anger, far more than what was directed against the death of a President.

There was great precision in the gunmen's use of bullets. They were experienced snipers, probably two teams of two, each of whom had clear "primary" and "secondary" and "exempt" targets in a very small, slow-moving area. All in all, a very easy job: what's candidly called "a rubber-ducky hunt." They drove up, did the job, and drove away, leaving the media and the government to engineer "national mourning" (including a prominent burial in Arlington Cemetery).

Hello I am curious about your assessment for a couple reasons. Firstly, haven't there been several successful tests of the ability of the Carcano tp place a group in a sufficient area in the required time? IIRC these were done with more than one Carcano, all stock, and I don't recall any info if Lee Oswald's was modified or improved.
Secondly, at such short distances from a 3rd floor highground with a solid rest this doesn't seem like a difficult feat. I have placed 20 shots in a 4 inch circle at 100 yards with a Mossberg .22 Magnum rifle with iron sights although not in rapid succession and I am not professionally trained.

I'm not saying there wasn't a conspiracy and more shooters but just wondering if a lone gunman with a Carcano is truly impossible which would seem like a poor patsy plan if so easily dismissed.

I tire of the lazy Internet gun experts who cannot cite sources or bother to study ballistics data. Much less, they the compare the .22 Magnum, a lead balloon at 200 yards, to a centerfire 6.5mm round being shot on a flat range at a fraction of the distance Oswald, a Marine expert marksman stationed at a now-defunct Agency base shooting a a downward angle.

http://milpas.cc/rifles/ZFiles/Misc/6.5x52%20Mannlicher-Carcano/6.5mm%20Carcano.htm
http://www.gunnersden.com/index.htm.22-magnum.html

I dislike Ventura but here is an expert marksman shooting an actual Carcano, not a Mossberg .22 Magnum, and failing to replicate as many others did. The second link is the entire episode.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=qSWSgcuYqDo

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=gev7eUDPgB8

Let's try not to be so illogical, lazy or forgetful next time.

Even if you are "an expert marksman," which is debatable, you wouldn't take your shot from a third-floor window. You'd take the shots from exactly where they were taken, e.g. the knoll. The President's rolling duck-pond is a few yards in front of you, and the duck is sitting in it. He was caught in a cross-fire, as was LBJ's other hated enemy, the Governor of Texas.

A classic "right-hand man coup d'etat," precisely as the European newspapers promptly called it.

Oswald immediately knew that he was set up, and he was prepared to testify. So, quite improbably, they took him through a crowded parking area, and shot him on camera to satisfy the public's thirst for revenge. They knew that the public at that time would not ask serious questions. A perfunctory "investigation" would be conducted with appropriate pomp in order to satisfy the public's expectation of justice. And any films in anyone's camera would have been confiscated and destroyed. (The film that was taken was bought-up for a large sum and edited.)

Like other such things, it's really not hard to piece together what must have happened. But the official version is never going to be changed.

Films like JFK, like Capricorn One , can demonstrate when an official story is false. But they can't change the official story.

I liked the film " Executive Action " starring Burt Lancaster that is much more plausible than the Warren Report!! I, foolishly, thought that President Obama was going to change things; but they let him know right away who was actually running this country and the dire consequences of not doing what he was told to do!!

Medical issues necessitate I spend more time to other things. Arthritis is as Jezebel, but sadly there is no window to toss her out of.
God bless .

I'm truly sorry for your medical issues since I can completely relate. However I can't relate at all to your insulting and misdirected response to my simple question that treated you with respect. I actually wanted your regarded opinion and the only thing I stated was that with a far lesser rifle and without training I am a pretty good shot simply to describe the novice area from which I asked. I thought I made it clear I was not challenging your original post beyond qsking for a little more detail why the Carcano is deemed completely incapable of such an action as described by the Warren Commission. It seems it would be a major flaw in the cover up and I'd simply like to know more.

Maybe you were having a bad day or I wasn't direct enough.

for the record what I recalled seeing years ago on TV is now on YouTube and whose results are incorrectly stated By Mr Ventura. Several experts matched or beat Oswald's time and one State Trooper even scored 3 hits but only one out of more than 2 dozen could accomplish what Oswald supposedly did. Not good odds at all and highly suspicious that Oswald could have accomplished this in fact. The Carcano is very cheaply made and has poor quality control and it seems there is considerable variation between individual units. I was hoping you could shed some light on that subject.

This is the CBS testing video to which I refer - Experts Test Carcano

If I recall correctly with the single exception of John Wilkes Booth lone gunmen assassins of heads of State have been either unsuccessful or at least failed to deliver a kill shot (presumably the desired outcome) and even JWB had accomplices in place. So Historically once again not good odds for any manner of success for lone gunmen.

Like most people I surely would love to have undeniable proof of what really happened. It just so happens that I heard about the shooting while my High School Physics class was returning on a field trip to 3 Mile Island which was only partially complete at the time. I will never forget walking into the School knowing we knew something terrible that all our classmates, teachers, and principal had yet to know. Halfway back to class we heard the Principal announce JFK had been shot. It wasn't known publicly that he was already dead for awhile longer.

Unless I miss my guess, I suspect History will see that day as a major turning point...a true game changer. Surely would be sweet to know the real.

Let things roll off one's back. Nothing on an Internet forum is particularly worth getting worked-up over.

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There's simply no way that the JFK hit could have been accomplished by a rifleman in that location. He was "the necessary patsy," and nothing more.

If you want to kill a President, and you have the ability to maneuver that President into a sniper's nest, then of course you are going to map-out the shooting locations. The "grassy knoll" is an obvious one, and a good one. Good shooting, easy escape routes. There are a few others and it appears that all of them were used.

In other words, if your objective is to kill a President, you have to know what you are doing, and you have to have a lot of connections to ensure that the President of the United States(!) is a totally-disarmed sitting duck.

LBJ, as Vice-President, had all of these. He had: the means, the motive, and the ability to cover it up. And, he certainly would have been crass enough to do it in Dallas, Texas.

And then ... "the patsy." Someone to blame it on. Oswald might have squeezed-off one shot that hit the pavement, or he may not have fired anything at all. (He didn't have to.) His only job was to get fingered for it, and to be shot on-TV to pour a bucket of catharsis upon a grieving country who would eagerly accept "frontier justice" as they lapped-up the funeral show which immediately followed.

If you're going to kill a President, you're going to do it right. The last thing you're gonna do is to put a crackpot in a bad spot and hope that he can actually do the job. (From that location, no one could have done the job. It's an insane place to put a gunman.) No, you're gonna hire people with the necessary skills, put them in the right places, and whisk them away as-agreed when the hit is done. As professional killers, of course they won't talk.