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Old 06-12-2022, 07:23 PM   #3541
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Can't afford to meet minimum specs to run Windows 11. Let alone 7.

https://www.tomsguide.com/best-picks...ows-11-laptops
 
Old 06-13-2022, 11:42 PM   #3542
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Microsoft found critical security holes in Linux. Does it hurt? I hope it does!
Vulnerabilities such as these, wherever they might next be found, are immediately shared and patched. In due time, they arrive in the next "security update" for your [Windows|Linux|MacOS] release. Which you should immediately apply.
Kinda interesting, interesting in context of, is MS sure they want to be in the game in that fashion?

But perhaps that MS article omitted some info, like they were evaluating "linux" (instead of their own manglement OS) because that's where MS wants to be, running on linux.

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Old 06-13-2022, 11:50 PM   #3543
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It is very disturbing to me the extent to which computer manufacturers want to get their hands on your data. If you put stuff "in the cloud," you don't know who else has access to it. I'm always amazed at how conditioned and lackadaisical otherwise-sentient companies have become about this.

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The puff of data is intoxicating. Once you go data, there is no backing off. The desire to control is irresistible.
I know some banks, that don't want to go near cloud services with a 20mi pole.

Data in the hands of others, is not in your hands.

Those who flock to cloud services are basically two types, those whose data aint worth crap so paying as little as possible for compute is ideal, and those who simply do not understand the risks. There's a good amount of both in cloud services, how else is Big Brother supposed to have easy access to big data sets?

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Old 06-15-2022, 08:22 PM   #3544
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Very well said, @Linux_Kidd. I wish that more of my clients thought as you do.
 
Old 06-16-2022, 12:44 PM   #3545
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Today I learned that Microsoft employees work on systemd and it got funded by Microsoft this year. That explains a lot!
 
Old 06-16-2022, 02:21 PM   #3546
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Heh.

So Microsoft has a monthly contest where employees can nominate Open Source software, and the winner receives US$10,000.

In April 2022, systemd won for that month (or maybe came joint first?) which "explains a lot".

Other previously nominated & selected projects include Gnome, curl, QEMU - not sure what might be explained by those selections.

There don't appear to have been any BSD-related winners, but then OpenBSD has already received more than $145,000 (possibly upto US$300,000) from Microsoft over the last seven years, without any need for nomination...

*shrug*

 
Old 06-21-2022, 09:33 AM   #3547
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Many major companies – Microsoft, Apple, Oracle ... – contribute real money and real staff time to "open source" projects. That's how these things get done. It's not just "volunteers, hacking on their computers in the evening after work." The contributors are being paid for it.

The "basement" of both MacOS (OS/X) and iOS is an "open source" project known as Mach® Unix, which Apple continues to support and maintain. Oracle puts its full corporate strength behind MySQL.® Major movie studios contribute to Blender and support its Foundation financially.

These corporations do this in part because they receive the benefits, and because court-tested open source licenses protect their vital business interests in doing so. "A rising tide lifts all boats."

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Old 06-24-2022, 03:48 AM   #3548
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But it is a funny thread, "Windows vs Linux" on a Linux Questions forums. Anyone can guess the outcome. And one would guess the outcome if a similar thread was posted on some kind of Windows forums.

Windows has it's crowd and it is "easier" to use than Linux. Then again, you only need to be willing and spend a relatively short time in Linux to overcome the difference and being able to use it on a day to day basis. Unless you have specific Windows applications that will not run in Linux, it's worth the effort and time to switch to Linux. Everything seems more robust, but I have to add that my Windows 10 installation of 5-6 years was solid.
 
Old 06-26-2022, 10:58 AM   #3549
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Today I learned that Microsoft employees work on systemd and it got funded by Microsoft this year. That explains a lot!
Yea, volunteers are good for amateurish translations and small primitive CLI programs, but creating good and complex software? Yea. This explains why aystemd is amazing - it's funded by corporations with people who are motived to get shit done, and not ran by headless volunteer chickens who currently are rewriting <any non corporation backed open source software>. ZFS, DTrace - amazing tech, again, created by corporation.

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it's worth the effort and time to switch to Linux. Everything seems more robust, but I have to add that my Windows 10 installation of 5-6 years was solid.
Is it? I would throw my computer out through the window is every command would have to start with 'sudo'. Want to update git? 'sudo'. You have got to be kidding me.

Also, more robust? When I bought my new gaming PC, I thought installing linux for good old times, but it turns out, robust and fast OS didn't know how to handle this "exotic" CPU that was put into every new gaming PC for months and would schedule important tasks on efficiency cores. Yea...

Linux is amazing on servers (welllll... not really amazing, I'd rather use FreeBSD if anything supported that; it's just the best we have on servers), but on desktop I'd rather use Windows than Linux, and I have very limited interaction with Windows nowadays - just to launch games - and I still hate it and find annoying, but Linux is just on another level.

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Old 06-27-2022, 05:18 AM   #3550
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I do not want to get into this, but sudo is used to protect the user from initiating commands that could damage the system. The commands that should be executed by the root user (the administrator), because it is based on a multi user operating system. I do not like the frequent use of sudo myself and I use aliases for my frequently used commands, though it is not recommended.

Yes, it is more robust, otherwise it would not be the choice of over 90% of servers.

And what about Windows? You want to update? Do not forget to reboot. You want Windows? Do not forget to buy the newest and latest hardware that will only last you for a number of years. And do not forget to buy extra disk space because Windows is Windows. And if it's games you are after, you do need lots of cash for the previously mentioned latest hardware that includes CPU, GPU, RAM and disk space. And do not forget to add some RGB lights to please your eyes and ego.

I will not get into more details, but search about the kernel differences to find out why Windows needs so much rebooting.
 
Old 06-27-2022, 05:27 AM   #3551
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ZFS, DTrace - amazing tech, again, created by corporation.
Created by a Unix/BSD corporation for Unix (Solaris), because Linux just doesn't have any innovators.
 
Old 06-27-2022, 10:47 AM   #3552
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But it is a funny thread, "Windows vs Linux" on a Linux Questions forums. Anyone can guess the outcome. And one would guess the outcome if a similar thread was posted on some kind of Windows forums.

Windows has it's crowd and it is "easier" to use than Linux. Then again, you only need to be willing and spend a relatively short time in Linux to overcome the difference and being able to use it on a day to day basis. Unless you have specific Windows applications that will not run in Linux, it's worth the effort and time to switch to Linux. Everything seems more robust, but I have to add that my Windows 10 installation of 5-6 years was solid.
I think it will soon look like:

"Windows(linux based) vs Linux" , which will of course change the dynamics of the discussion, and at the same time be very appropriate chatter on LQ.

Considering how MS has now "virtualized" some security components (aka VBS) in Win10/11, I don't see any reason why they just don't make Windows a container(VM) that runs on a "host" which has Linux as core.


I had always thought MS goofed on the name of it's OS when it called it "Windows". Windows is a gui feature (everything has a window). Linux too has "windows" in all of the gui ends that can be loaded on, etc.

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I do not want to get into this, but sudo is used to protect the user from initiating commands that could damage the system. The commands that should be executed by the root user (the administrator), because it is based on a multi user operating system. I do not like the frequent use of sudo myself and I use aliases for my frequently used commands, though it is not recommended.
sudo? Now we have SElinux (or the like, MAC over DAC, etc), a bit better than sudo, because we don't even trust group-0, and when trying to scoot around it we get lots of alarms (should get).

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Old 06-27-2022, 12:58 PM   #3553
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As a Linux user I am also using windows, many of them. X Windows was a thing back then, originated in 1984. When did Microsoft used (or registered) Windows?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X_Window_System
"The X protocol has been at version 11 (hence "X11") since September 1987."
 
Old 06-27-2022, 02:10 PM   #3554
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When did Microsoft used (or registered) Windows?
A very easy question to answer:
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The history of Windows dates back to 1981 when Microsoft started work on a program called "Interface Manager". It was announced in November 1983 (after the Apple Lisa, but before the Macintosh) under the name "Windows", but Windows 1.0 was not released until November 1985
The reason for the choice of the name is on the same page:
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Microsoft introduced an operating environment named Windows on November 20, 1985, as a graphical operating system shell for MS-DOS in response to the growing interest in graphical user interfaces (GUIs).
So an entirely reasonable choice at the time - and certainly far better than nonsense like:
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X derives its name as a successor to a pre-1983 window system called W (the letter preceding X in the English alphabet).
 
Old 06-28-2022, 02:07 AM   #3555
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Many major companies – Microsoft, Apple, Oracle ... – contribute real money and real staff time to "open source" projects. That's how these things get done. It's not just "volunteers, hacking on their computers in the evening after work." The contributors are being paid for it.

The "basement" of both MacOS (OS/X) and iOS is an "open source" project known as Mach® Unix, which Apple continues to support and maintain. Oracle puts its full corporate strength behind MySQL.® Major movie studios contribute to Blender and support its Foundation financially.

These corporations do this in part because they receive the benefits, and because court-tested open source licenses protect their vital business interests in doing so. "A rising tide lifts all boats."
Oracle and MySQL? Are you not aware of MariaDB???
 
  


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