Because Shiny Things Are Fun - The New New Windows v Linux Thread

I think IE is supposed to be the only browser for wINDOW$-"updates"+ as another form of "control"

Windows is a necessary evil for me. I think a lot of admins will agree that in a big corporation it is almost impossible to exclusively run linux as a desktop.

These are the primary reasons i have to still have windows installed on a desktop at work:

1) Everyone in the office uses Outlook and MS Lync
2) I have to use Visio daily
3) Setting up a linux desktop to work with AD is possible but a pain
4) Office printers (again, possible, but a pain)
5) Vmware Vsphere client
6) Xencenter client

My laptop is another story. Arch Linux all day long. I'm much more productive on it, and it feels more like home to me.

At home the reasons i have to still have a windows desktop:
1) Wife is more comfortable with windows
2) Visitors can use windows
3) Easier for visitors to plug things into the computer and use
4) Games
5) Games

So, i would have to vote that "Yes, i like and prefer linux" and "Yes, I will continue to use windows as well"

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Originally Posted by szboardstretcher Windows is a necessary evil for me. I think a lot of admins will agree that in a big corporation it is almost impossible to exclusively run linux as a desktop.

It depends on how much work the admin is willing to put into it. "Almost impossible" is really the reality of ten years ago.

These are the primary reasons i have to still have windows installed on a desktop at work: 1) Everyone in the office uses Outlook and MS Lync

Outlook runs great under WINE. MS Lync can be completely replaced by Pidgin with the Communicator SIPE plugin.

2) I have to use Visio daily

So do I. I run it under WINE; It runs even better than Outlook does.

3) Setting up a linux desktop to work with AD is possible but a pain

This depends on if you have control over the AD server or not. If you do, you can use it from your Linux clients as a straight-up LDAP.

4) Office printers (again, possible, but a pain)

This is not really true anymore. Even in a worst-case scenario, you can set up a Windows-based print server. About any network printer will work just as easily under Linux as it will under Windows; Actually, in most cases, it will work more easily under Linux, since there will be no third-party software installation required.

5) Vmware Vsphere client

With some doing, Vshphere Client 5 can be mostly working under WINE. There is also a web client, which really allows one to sidestep the entire issue.

6) Xencenter client

This is the only real gotcha that you list. It will run under WINE, but the resource tabs are non-functional, which is really a show stopper. The only acceptable solution for this in my mind when running Linux desktops is to run Xencenter on a Windows server using remote desktop.

Of course, you know your work environment best; I'm not posting this to browbeat you or anything. I just didn't want less informed folks to read your post and think that what you said is the unquestionable reality. Most people believe that it is, because it was ten years ago and there's no Linux marketing team to let them know otherwise. It's not, though. Linux has come of age and can be used to replace Windows 100% in 90% of enterprises.

The server space is where you are still stuck with NT, in my mind, since you'll always need one or two Winboxen around to run your Exchange and AD servers, if nothing else.

Amazing; the leaps and bounds of Linux in the 18+ years since i heard\* of it.

Free to mod anyway you want without getting ripp\piss\ed-off(.) (spend on EDU instead of greed)

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I like how you admit it's evil like walmart ... (or, f#!k em if they weren't born in the right place hu ...)

In capitalism things seem more $uggestion than perception (u r getting sleepy when you wake you will refuse all but Linux, love and knowledge )

Education needs to be the virus, period!

A major issue in Linux vs MS Windows is that MS Windows is "embedded" in the culture. People don't really think "outside-the-box" even though may they have a subliminal awareness of Linux. Furthermore, the cards are stacked against Linux. Just go into a big box store like Best Buy and try to buy a computer without MS Windows. You can't. I also have wondered if many hardware manufactures (video cards) may have been forced, through "incentives" not to produce Linux drivers. No proof, just a conspiracy thought. Along those lines note how Apple has worked with manufactures to provide iPad connectors, but not standard USB connectors.

Furthermore, since Linux is basically free, it has been suprising that many small businesses and local governments have not adopted it. But that gets into my point about MS Window being embeded in the culture. They just buy an MS Windows computer without thinking. Most people in the office environment essentially use a word processing program and a spread sheet. LibreOffice is a superior and cheaper choice to MS Office, which is very expensive.

NOTE: Adobe Flash Player 11.2 will be the last version to target Linux as a supported platform. Adobe will continue to provide security backports to Flash Player 11.2 for Linux.

Many make big bucks using Linux in their products as previously mentioned by others here n there (plus tec schools++), i feel bad for anyone who (can't learn past window$) to know what i do now for my next computer: get without win\mac $ave big plus gain power for yourself

Like the Simpsons writers just said (was one of newer treehouse of horrors less than 20 minutes ago now MY24 in Milwaukee) making your own sweaters kills job$$$(.)

But, f#!k some job$ NOT education! I see it as a money\power thing...

the world needs zealots to change it from stupid(all@some° ) to smart

Linux Sets You Free

Originally Posted by jamison20000e ...Linux...

That's GNU\Linux I know now...

I write with a heavy heart the following revelation.

It is no longer Windows vs Linux vs Mac. It is cloud vs desktops.

If you want to fear for the way you compute, fear for the power you have at your fingertips,
look no further than the cloud. Look no further than the Chromebook, that tablet on your desk, or that Samsung Galaxy S4 in your shirt pocket. What was intended to be commodity devices for fun are being forced on the world as replacements for powerful PCs. Systems with no multitasking and no USB ports, with unremovable batteries and useless, locked down firmware are being touted as replacements for your 4 core i7. Your 2TB external drive is under threat from companies that want to charge you a premium to make yourself completely dependent on them, and their closed source solutions. With the cloud, FOSS would die a slow, painful death on the client, and become irrelevant on the server with time. Fight cloud if you still care about the computing world. Stick a fork in Windows, but you have something far worse to deal with now. You aren't on the offensive against Windows anymore. You are on the defensive from the cloud, just like Microsoft.

I have to agree with the "cloud" comment.. if the captains of corporate industry have their way, we'll all be using dumb terminals connected to mainframes again, on a time sharing basis. It amazes me that people like Linus, Stallman and Shuttleworth are caving-in and acting like lemmings. Ubuntu even has its own proprietary store like Apple and Microsoft. If this keeps up I'll be running Gentoo or LFS very soon. Luckily the GPL hasn't been destroyed yet so I'll hack the @#$% out of it if necessary and compile my own!

Windows 8 lasted two weeks on my new laptop. I didn't even want to dual boot it. It's only good for xboxes and dumbphones... but I mean that in a positive and civilized way.

Originally Posted by bendib I write with a heavy heart the following revelation. It is no longer Windows vs Linux vs Mac. It is cloud vs desktops.

I think we can also say tablets/smartphones vs desktops

Until without greed, corruption and murder—capitalists\* can argue "to have or have not" but they are for it(.)

Only Education!!!

CopyALL that’s life!

I bought my laptop years back and use only GNU\Linux and now Libra as much as possible, unfortunately not always because it was a $ony. I'm gonna hook up my Raspberry Pi (SD cards are cheep too) and just use that and stuff like it from now on (build and program our own)
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Originally Posted by bendib ... It is cloud vs desktops. ...

I believe that there are really two aspects to this issue. Tablets are cannibalizing the PC-market. One headline: Tablet sales expected to soar in 2013, pushing PCs to edge of oblivion.

For many people, having a tablet may be all the computing power they need. For these people the PC has been overkill. The soaring sales of tablets and the decline of PC sales may be indicative of this.

From the PC perspective, cloud computing is a real danger/mistake. It essentially makes the PC a remote terminal which looses the capability to work if you can't connect to the application provider. Not to mention what happens if the application provider goes out of business or changes the software in a manner that you don't like. Cloud computing means that you would be losing control over your PC. A sad state of affairs.

Essentially, this is a step backwards to the days of connecting to a mainframe through a dumb terminal. The purpose of a PC is to have the ability to do (computing) work on that PC. The cloud would "disable" your PC.

From the tablet perspective, cloud computing does not seem that onerous. The expectation with the use of tablet is to surf the internet, check your email, play media, and run some nifty apps. I don't think there is, as of yet, any real intention to do heavy duty computing applications on the device itself. That may change over-time. For those uses the cloud does not seem onerous.

Don't believe that mass exodus crap. People are buying tablets, and PC sales are falling because of Windows 8 mostly. A lot of people feel like Win8 foobar'd the entire PC industry. Tech pundits are getting paid off, as evidenced by offensive (occasionally just mean, looking at you Jason Perlow) articles that push the cloud and slam PCs, and the stream of hate comments that usually follow such articles. PCs won't die so long as people have some sense. Wait, crap.

tl;tr duu