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YesItsMe 03-09-2024 09:26 AM

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Originally Posted by business_kid (Post 6488339)
Try running the internet without it.

The internet predates Linux, works just fine without any Linux machine involved and will survive Linux.

YesItsMe 03-09-2024 09:28 AM

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Originally Posted by wpeckham (Post 6488403)
To those nations with over 40% saturation and running their entire governments using FOSS software and operating systems it is more than relevant.

Are you aware of the fact that FOSS is more than Linux?

business_kid 03-09-2024 09:54 AM

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Originally Posted by YesItsMe (Post 6488588)
The internet predates Linux, works just fine without any Linux machine involved and will survive Linux.

You're right. The internet runs on unix, and linux is the most popular variant, and likely to remain so in view of the price (or lack thereof) and software choice. This is a Windows vs. linux thread. What exactly is your point, or are you just trolling?

boughtonp 03-09-2024 10:21 AM

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Originally Posted by business_kid (Post 6488594)
...or are you just trolling?

They've been trolling this thread since 2018, and are far from subtle, but plenty of regulars keep feeding them anyway...

(Of course their point here is still valid: whatever one's thought on Linux and Linux-based OSes, it is not essential; the Internet runs on cross-platform software.)


wpeckham 03-09-2024 01:00 PM

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Originally Posted by YesItsMe (Post 6488589)
Are you aware of the fact that FOSS is more than Linux?

You cannot run ANYTHING using ONLY the operating system, so clearly I know that those governments running entirely on FOSS are running more than Linux.
How could you miss that?

As an aside, Linux is about useless without the GNU toolset, and benefits from other software (FOSS and Proprietary) developed to run on FOSS platforms. And, in case you missed it, Linux is not the ONLY FOSS operating system! Linux is just the one that has done the most to totally replace Microsoft options in the server space, and the greatest threat to Microsoft on the desktop space. (Even greater than that little fruit machine company!)

_blackhole_ 03-11-2024 08:20 AM

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Originally Posted by business_kid (Post 6488594)
This is a Windows vs. linux thread. What exactly is your point, or are you just trolling?

He seems to be participating in a "Windows vs Linux thread?
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Originally Posted by boughtonp (Post 6488596)
They've been trolling this thread since 2018, and are far from subtle, but plenty of regulars keep feeding them anyway...

It's a Windows vs Linux thread. It was created for this purpose - i.e. to keep these kind of comments in one thread (the religion thread servers a similar purpose).

Some stats:

https://w3techs.com/technologies/ove...erating_system
https://w3techs.com/technologies/details/os-unix
We can deduct that Linux seems to run on ~ 40% of web servers. That's actually less that I expected. I would have gone for 60% +

Pay attention to "unknown" in the second link. It's likely that far more websites run on something derived from Solaris or one of the BSDs than is reported there, but none of those would come close to 50% of web servers, even combined.

brianL 03-11-2024 12:03 PM

If you believe YesItsMe is a troll - stop feeding him. :twocents:

YesItsMe 03-11-2024 01:57 PM

I’m pretty sure that most of the posts here which serve the sole purpose of bashing Microsoft are notably less fact-based than what you call “trolling”. However, no, Linux is not a variant of Unix (and it does not want to be one anyway).

YesItsMe 03-11-2024 02:01 PM

While we’re at it: you ARE aware of this thread’s tags, right?

hazel 03-12-2024 01:08 AM

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Originally Posted by YesItsMe (Post 6489053)
However, no, Linux is not a variant of Unix (and it does not want to be one anyway).

Correction: Linux is not a variant of UNIX (and it does not want to be one anyway). It is definitely a variant of Unix.

https://www.linuxquestions.org/quest...is-unix-37551/

Linux_Kidd 03-12-2024 03:27 PM

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Originally Posted by hazel (Post 6489140)
Correction: Linux is not a variant of UNIX (and it does not want to be one anyway). It is definitely not a variant of Unix.

https://www.linuxquestions.org/quest...is-unix-37551/

I added that orange text, did you mean to say "not variant"?


Isn't the official description "linux is a unix-like OS" ?

RH, mint, rocky, deb, ubuntu, android, make that huge list, are all linux based variant OS's.

wpeckham 03-12-2024 08:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Linux_Kidd (Post 6489300)
I added that orange text, did you mean to say "not variant"?

I understood what hazel as being quite correct as originally written. You added a word that made it LESS correct.

Linux_Kidd 03-12-2024 09:45 PM

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Originally Posted by wpeckham (Post 6489345)
I understood what hazel as being quite correct as originally written. You added a word that made it LESS correct.

I don't understand what you say there, nor did I understand the linux variant comment, even with UNIX vs Unix. Was it the UNIX vs Unix that made it MORE correct?

hazel 03-13-2024 12:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Linux_Kidd (Post 6489366)
Was it the UNIX vs Unix that made it MORE correct?

Yes, of course it was. That will teach me not to try to be witty on this forum in future.

_blackhole_ 03-13-2024 04:16 AM

Linux is a kernel, it is not a UNIX variant.

The GNU operating system qualifies as "UNIX-like". GNU stands for "GNU's Not UNIX".

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I never used Unix (not even for a minute) until after I decided to develop a free replacement for it (the GNU system). I chose that design to follow because it was portable and seemed fairly clean. I was never a fan of Unix; I had some criticisms of it too. But it was ok overall as a model.
https://stallman.org/stallman-computing.html

GNU/Linux and Android are certainly "UNIX-like", but are not UNIX variants or derivatives. The latter would be OS like macOS/iOS, Openindiana and other Illumos distributions and of course the BSDs.


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