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arubin 02-17-2022 07:57 AM

According to the Brother site the driver is supposed to be 'built in'. There doesn't seem to be a driver to download. I have got it printing using built in drivers but Windows is not seeing it as a scanner. Brother's response on their help site is that the printer is discontinued and they are not supporting it.

cynwulf 02-17-2022 08:31 AM

Yes looks pretty much abandoned to the basic driver in Windows update, post Windows 7...

sundialsvcs 02-17-2022 10:05 AM

It is very disturbing to me the extent to which computer manufacturers want to get their hands on your data. If you put stuff "in the cloud," you don't know who else has access to it. I'm always amazed at how conditioned and lackadaisical otherwise-sentient companies have become about this.

Fearless Fred 02-18-2022 04:15 AM

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Originally Posted by arubin (Post 6330579)
According to the Brother site the driver is supposed to be 'built in'. There doesn't seem to be a driver to download. I have got it printing using built in drivers but Windows is not seeing it as a scanner. Brother's response on their help site is that the printer is discontinued and they are not supporting it.

If you still have an earlier working scanner software that was compatible with an earlier windows version, try installing it in windows compatibility mode, it will often work again..

arubin 02-18-2022 05:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Fearless Fred (Post 6330908)
If you still have an earlier working scanner software that was compatible with an earlier windows version, try installing it in windows compatibility mode, it will often work again..

That actually worked. I downloaded the Windows 7 drivers and installed them as you suggested. The Brother software itself does not work but it is possible to scan through Windows 11 Fax and Scan. The Fax and Scan software couldn't see the scanner until I uninstalled McAfee which I was planning to do anyway. Thanks.

WindowMaker 04-22-2022 04:20 AM

User-wise, I think it's okay to use Microsoft Windows 7 and below if you need to, with Windows Update (read: universal backdoor) disabled; ideally use it in network-isolated fashion as well.

Microsoft Windows 10 and above however, is a spyware disguised as an OS; the existence of WSL (i.e. Microsoft GNU/Windows) is no excuse for it. Anyone with any drop of self-respect left should have defenestrated it on sight and replaced that with true libre OS, like actual GNU/Linux, free *BSD Unices (Mac OSX is proprietary thus doesn't count), FreeDOS, or others.

And of course, it ought to be illegal to sell any computer/device capable of general-purpose computing that is signature-locked to run only single OS.

leclerc78 04-22-2022 11:22 AM

I have XP, Win 7, Win 10 in VirtualBox.
My printers & scanner (Canon 5600F) are so old that even Windows 7 stuck its nose on them. It's criminal to dump virtually good items into the thrash bins or even recycling ones.

YesItsMe 04-22-2022 08:40 PM

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Originally Posted by WindowMaker (Post 6347894)
true libre OS, like actual GNU/Linux

Most Linux distributions are non-free.

Linux_Kidd 04-26-2022 01:13 PM

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Originally Posted by WindowMaker (Post 6347894)
User-wise, I think it's okay to use Microsoft Windows 7 and below if you need to, with Windows Update (read: universal backdoor) disabled; ideally use it in network-isolated fashion as well.

Microsoft Windows 10 and above however, is a spyware disguised as an OS; the existence of WSL (i.e. Microsoft GNU/Windows) is no excuse for it. Anyone with any drop of self-respect left should have defenestrated it on sight and replaced that with true libre OS, like actual GNU/Linux, free *BSD Unices (Mac OSX is proprietary thus doesn't count), FreeDOS, or others.

And of course, it ought to be illegal to sell any computer/device capable of general-purpose computing that is signature-locked to run only single OS.

Win11 is Win10 with backdoors for NSA. ;)

Closed/Proprietary systems cannot be trusted, it's that simple.

In the past spy days, backdoors was so that the Spy agencies could get in when a criminal was using the OS. spy days as of recent, allows Spy agencies to monitor anyone w/o their consent. Well, I guess if you say "ok" to the MS EULA when installing the OS, you gave Spy agencies the green light.

Open or "transparent" software is the only way to have any meaningful level of trust.

sundialsvcs 04-26-2022 01:45 PM

There have been very many open challenges to the idea of a "EULA," which is first of all something that you never actually read, and which must be "agreed to" if you wish to use the software. You have no opportunity to negotiate. The only thing that you can do is to do what you do: press the "Continue" button without reading, therefore without "agreeing to," anything at all.

Compelling arguments have been made that this is simply "a sale," and that software manufacturers actually can't impose any restrictions outside of very narrow boundaries of copyright ... which companies like Microsoft and Apple certainly and routinely exceed. I don't believe that there has actually been a court case to affirm that the "other" requirements in these EULAs actually hold water. License agreements can specify what you can do to the extent that "what you can do" intersects the software, but they cannot more-broadly stipulate "what you can do," nor what the vendor company is allowed "to do to you." The license agreement is not about "you." Except, these EULAs certainly are.

rokytnji 04-26-2022 04:47 PM

Well. My Acer C710 AntiX Chromebook finally gave up the ghost today.

2013 till today. Powers up when Lid is raised. Nothing on screen. Powers down. Needs no input from me.
Gonna blame the Hard Drive connector for now since I won't open it up till later.

It broke while sitting on charger , powered down/turned off while I was traveling for the past week.
Have a spare parts one with a broken bios jumper plug pin socket already on the shelf.
In case I can save it.

BSD did not support chromebooks when I checked way back when.
Don't care about Windows support.
Leaves only one.

medictruck 04-27-2022 05:25 AM

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Originally Posted by sundialsvcs (Post 6330617)
It is very disturbing to me the extent to which computer manufacturers want to get their hands on your data. If you put stuff "in the cloud," you don't know who else has access to it. I'm always amazed at how conditioned and lackadaisical otherwise-sentient companies have become about this.

The puff of data is intoxicating. Once you go data, there is no backing off. The desire to control is irresistible.

YesItsMe 04-27-2022 05:21 PM

Microsoft found critical security holes in Linux. Does it hurt? I hope it does!

sundialsvcs 04-27-2022 06:27 PM

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Originally Posted by YesItsMe (Post 6349138)
Microsoft found critical security holes in Linux. Does it hurt? I hope it does!

Vulnerabilities such as these, wherever they might next be found, are immediately shared and patched. In due time, they arrive in the next "security update" for your [Windows|Linux|MacOS] release. Which you should immediately apply.

business_kid 06-12-2022 01:41 PM

This windows vs linux thing was summed up for me by a doctor's visit.

I had to see a nurse, to get blood tests, and my doctor wanted more blood tests. But the receptionist's pc was on the blink, and it was the server. So printing and all files were unavailable. I nearly went at things for them but stopped myself because I know so little about windows 10. Their IT guy was coming, but so is Christmas.


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