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Old 03-20-2005, 09:23 AM   #1
davholla
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Anyone else standing in the UK elections ?


I am standing for UKIP in Lewisham Deptford in the general election here in the UK when it comes.
The reason is because I believe that unelected officials should not be in charge, i.e I do not agree with the EU commission having power without the voters having control over them.

These two articles show why :-

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main...03/nbook03.xml

http://news.scotsman.com/latest.cfm?id=4144217

These both refer to an issue that should be decided by elected politicians but is been decided by unelected civil servants.

In the US at the moment one of the big issues regarding the enviroment is drilling in Alaska which is decided by elected politicians (see http://www.linuxquestions.org/questi...hreadid=301525)
, in the UK overfishing would be a political issue if, was decided by people we elect, sadly it is not decided by them.
If anyone wants to help contact me via http://www.ukip.org/.

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Old 03-20-2005, 01:06 PM   #2
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These both refer to an issue that should be decided by elected politicians but is been decided by unelected civil servants.
You do realise that there are european elections, and that you are entitled to vote for representatives in europe. I don't really understand your problem, theres plently of unelected civil servants making decisions in government in england, europe and the US. Do you really believe that uk politics is so democratically perfect ?

Personally i think a coordinated fishing policy makes sense, how else are we going to regulate the ever dwindling stocks of fish that we have. Unfortunately that means some fishermen are going to lose out (largely because of overfishing to start with) and unfortunately they'll have to find new jobs like everyone would have too. The beauty of europe is that we can limit the quota for all countries in europe, it would be political suicide for just one country to limit their fishing quota whilst the others fish as much as they like. This to me makes more sense than leaving europe so we can fish as much as we want.

Do you honestly think that everything would be much better if only we *werent* in the EU ? Whilst it is important to discuss europe i feel that certain members of UKIP are certainly quite prejeducied and many seem to have an irrational fear of Europe/foreign people.

edit, btw i just thought i'd add that im just interested about your views etc on europe (im not on a mission against ukip, i like to hear opinions/viewpoints etc and i've never spoken to anyone who was part of UKIP.

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Old 03-20-2005, 04:37 PM   #3
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Originally posted by darkRoom
You do realise that there are european elections, and that you are entitled to vote for representatives in europe. I don't really understand your problem, theres plently of unelected civil servants making decisions in government in england, europe and the US. Do you really believe that uk politics is so democratically perfect ?

Personally i think a coordinated fishing policy makes sense, how else are we going to regulate the ever dwindling stocks of fish that we have. Unfortunately that means some fishermen are going to lose out (largely because of overfishing to start with) and unfortunately they'll have to find new jobs like everyone would have too. The beauty of europe is that we can limit the quota for all countries in europe, it would be political suicide for just one country to limit their fishing quota whilst the others fish as much as they like. This to me makes more sense than leaving europe so we can fish as much as we want.

Do you honestly think that everything would be much better if only we *werent* in the EU ? Whilst it is important to discuss europe i feel that certain members of UKIP are certainly quite prejeducied and many seem to have an irrational fear of Europe/foreign people.

edit, btw i just thought i'd add that im just interested about your views etc on europe (im not on a mission against ukip, i like to hear opinions/viewpoints etc and i've never spoken to anyone who was part of UKIP.
I do realise that there are European elections. Of course there are unelected civil servants making decisions in lots of countries, however apart from the EU commission they are all accountable to politicians. In the past the decisions that Franz Fishler took would have been taken by politicians.
Can you think of a UK or US equivalent to the EU commission ?

Also do not forget the EU parliament is very unfair, the UK is very under represented, we should have a lot more MEPs than we do, our MEPs have 3 times as many constituents as Irish ones.


Of course a lot of things which would not be better in we left the EU although of course we would have more money (we pay £5 billion a year). I do not think leaving the EU would stop Johnny Wilkinson or Andy Flintoff from being injured !

However I disagree with you about fishing, if fishermen can only fish in one area they have to conserve, at the moment we in the UK subsidize Spanish fishermen to fish off the coast of west Africa.
http://www.wwf-uk.org/News/n_0000000500.asp



How can that be good for the enviroment ? Of course it is not.
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/n...t_fishing.html

In the US where relatively small areas have had fishing stopped for security reasons, it has had beneficial effects on fish stocks, so of course in the UK we can protect our own marine enviroment.

Of course I do not think UK politics are perfect that is why one UKIP policy would improve it :-

http://ukip.org/index.php?menu=fivef...=fivefreedoms4

It would let UK voters have referendums as in the US.
BTW you are welcome to ask me any questions you like but it would quicker at first to look here :-

http://www.ukip.org/index.php?menu=u...ge=ukipfaqstop
 
Old 03-21-2005, 06:39 AM   #4
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Well, they'll put a stop to those gypsies and asylum seekers if nothing else!

*shakes head and goes off to vote Lib Dem*
 
Old 03-21-2005, 07:25 AM   #5
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http://www.britainineurope.org.uk/in...20of%20England
http://www.ramsgatehumour.mysite.wan....uk/page4.html
For balance.

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