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Old 01-20-2017, 07:29 AM   #1
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Thumbs down [US-Politics] This has gone way too far ...


While watching another YouTube link on this forum, I stumbled-upon a reference to a video that I find profoundly disturbing. So much so that I won't honor it with an actual link, but its title alone says more than enough:

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"If Trump is Killed During the Inauguration, Obama Appointee Would Be President."
In a Banana Republic, this is called a "Coup d'Etat," and so far we've only had one such incident in this country. (When JFK was "blown away" (in Dallas, Texas, no less ...) by the sharpshooters of his Texas right-hand man, LBJ.)

Or: this is openly(!) discussing cold-blooded murder. And then, on top of that, the defiance of the Constitution by saying that the predecessor would "appoint" his successor.

I assure you, you don't want to go down that primrose path.

"Things have been going way wrong" in the USA for a very long time now, but this kind of (literally ...) murderous talk does nothing to fix it. It only makes the problem worse.

As inconceivable as it might be to some, the American people did in fact make a deliberate choice. They elected a Chief Executive Officer whose only qualification is that he is a CEO. They very decisively voted against "the Washington establishment's daughter." (And, no, it really was 'them' voting, not the Russians. The final-results map is a sea of red. And the electors didn't overturn it: in fact, they affirmed it.) But the people did not and could not elect a King, nor a Dictator.

The Office of the President rules by persuasion. Nothing more.

Tomorrow, the next day, and for every one of the 1,460-odd days which follow, the process of governing will grind along, and it will quickly become apparent that no matter what you say on the campaign trail, governing occurs by the consensus of several hundred people. By design, the Office of the President has almost no civil authority. The rules of the land don't come on stone tablets carved by one red-headed hot-headed Scotsman: they come from the Congress and from the States. And it is all dutifully and carefully recorded and reported by the Librarians of Congress. Every day.

If you don't like him ... even if you positively can't stand him ... work within the system to oppose him and to come up with alternative laws that work better and get them passed. ("Good luck with that ...") You'll see for yourself that, while protesting something is drop-dead easy, implementing something is very hard. The moment you start, "you become the deer in the headlights." As they say, "if you are unpopular, you must be doing something right."

But don't even talk about harming a single red hair on his head. No matter who holds the Office, it's the toughest job in the world. It makes old (wo)men out of young (wo)men, and it's a symbol of the country itself. If you want to kick his butt out of Washington, you're welcome to try. (I'm quite sure that the first set of Articles of Impeachment will be filed in the House this afternoon.) If you don't like a single thing that this man stands for, then there's a system in place by which you can successfully oppose anything he does. But, a bullet isn't "it," and there should never be any talk of such dreadful things. Never.

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Old 01-20-2017, 08:06 AM   #2
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ETA: As far as the suggestion of murder... if such were to happen would make us no better than those nations we associate with "terrorism" where such things happen, dare I say somewhat regularly.

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The Office of the President rules by persuasion. Nothing more.
FINALLY! Somebody who understands how this system works! I wish I could mark your post as helpful a thousand times, but you're the OP.

Of all the griping and whining I hear, not one person has a clue. Our system of government was set up to prevent becoming what we fought against starting that night of December 16, 1773. There are checks in place to ensure no one person, nor a group of persons, have the power to act against the will of the people.

It may not always be apparent, but it does work.

You can argue that it doesn't quite work - that taxes are against the will of the people. Hell, one of the first acts of the new government was to enact a tax similar to what started our fight. You can argue things as this are against the will of the people. Such things are necessary. There are greater concerns. This is where the people are short sighted, "this system does not work to exercise the will of the people."

What extreme policies "the people" of this country fear that Donald Trump will enact, or the policies he will create, will never happen. Because in the end, he is pretty much nothing more than a figurehead. He can try to exert his influence over the Congress, The House or the Supreme Court. He can try very hard. However, there will be those within that oppose him, that do not agree with his extreme policies, and say nae.

The system does work. Trump can not do whatever he wants as people fear. End of story.

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Old 01-20-2017, 08:13 AM   #3
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You did give it a link and sh!t won't change until murder is education ... or, ceases to exist! We can either take the r out of evolution or evolved but is up to earth? GNwe\Linux &c (small % so far I kno!)

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Old 01-20-2017, 08:30 AM   #4
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What extreme policies "the people" of this country fear that Donald Trump will enact, or the policies he will create, will never happen. Because in the end, he is pretty much nothing more than a figurehead. He can try to exert his influence over the Congress, The House or the Supreme Court. He can try very hard. However, there will be those within that oppose him, that do not agree with his extreme policies, and say nae.
And people bitch about his Cabinet appointments ... forgetting that the Senate must confirm them. If you don't like his pick, don't confirm his pick.

The man is a certified blow-hard but I think that he genuinely cares about what he is doing. I frankly think that he cares about the Office far more than many of his predecessors did, and I predict that he will revolutionize our perception of the Office just by being in it. In a very real sense, I think that's why the American people hired him specifically, and why he knocked every other competitor out of the park. (Not that there ever was much competition ... )

I think that people fundamentally want a Government that does not work in the way that it has become altogether too-accustomed to (not) working. I think they intended to throw a lighted match into a bucket of gasoline. Of this one thing we can be certain: "things will be different!"

But I want to grab my 'Deal With It™' coffee-cup and tell the people who are protesting to shaddup and get to work. If you don't like the way things are, put on your own apron and start cooking. It's easy-peasy to bitch about things; very hard to change them.

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Old 01-20-2017, 08:40 AM   #5
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And people bitch about his Cabinet appointments ... forgetting that the Senate must confirm them. If you don't like his pick, don't confirm his pick.
Right. Because "I want to bitch about a system I have no clue how it works."

Shame is, when I was in school, we were taught the basics of how things worked. Ok, so I'm 38 and I'm far off from those times, but I am sure that most of my generation were taught the same. Mine (Gen X) and the following are the ones bitching most. So either you didn't pay attention, or you've forgotten. You have no right to bitch.

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I think that people fundamentally want a Government that does not work in the way that it has become altogether too-accustomed to (not) working. I think they intended to throw a lighted match into a bucket of gasoline. Of this one thing we can be certain: "things will be different!"
Sometimes, I think we should just give them exactly this, and when they bitch about it, say: "This what you wanted, it blew up in your face, now live with it. Have a nice day."
 
Old 01-20-2017, 10:19 AM   #6
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There seems to be some weird double standard here. You see death threats to Trump on Twitter, and no action such as banning - yet others like Milo Yiannopoulos are banned for stuff far less worse. Oh, the media is also at fault, CNN especially seems to be fixed on the idea of assassination.

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Old 01-20-2017, 12:17 PM   #7
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And people bitch about his Cabinet appointments ... forgetting that the Senate must confirm them. If you don't like his pick, don't confirm his pick.

The man is a certified blow-hard but I think that he genuinely cares about what he is doing. I frankly think that he cares about the Office far more than many of his predecessors did, and I predict that he will revolutionize our perception of the Office just by being in it. In a very real sense, I think that's why the American people hired him specifically, and why he knocked every other competitor out of the park. (Not that there ever was much competition ... )

I think that people fundamentally want a Government that does not work in the way that it has become altogether too-accustomed to (not) working. I think they intended to throw a lighted match into a bucket of gasoline. Of this one thing we can be certain: "things will be different!"

But I want to grab my 'Deal With It™' coffee-cup and tell the people who are protesting to shaddup and get to work. If you don't like the way things are, put on your own apron and start cooking. It's easy-peasy to bitch about things; very hard to change them.
This! Again, my schadenfreude is in full gear now and I have been poking around to see the left's reaction and talk about butthurt. Meanwhile in Russia:

[screencast]gIQCKvjW3wU[/screencast]

Wwwwwhhheeeewww!
 
Old 01-20-2017, 12:25 PM   #8
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Anti Trump protests
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Live coverage of protests:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SD2emC0Auws
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GvZtANDQD1s

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Old 01-20-2017, 01:50 PM   #9
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[screencast]B_1ETmNcfNA[/screencast]
 
Old 01-20-2017, 07:13 PM   #10
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I do not watch any television but a couple of hours ago on the internet I read his full speech!! He said a lot that needed to be said but the thing that " jerked my knees " was this:
" This American carnage stops right here and stops right now!! " New York City is not as bad as Chicago but every big city in this country is full of too much crime, too many criminals, and too much narcotics!! It is nice that finally a public official states that there is a serious crime problem that needs to be addressed ASAP!!
 
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Again, I like Bill Maher and he's spot on and hilarious, but he needs to just recognize that Hillary was a shit candidate worse than Trump. Due to so much PC, Trump won.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ol3yU7x99-8
 
Old 01-20-2017, 09:54 PM   #12
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It's late, I'm tired, and I'm out of patience. A person I love was in tears tonight when she finally realized that the outcome of the election was indeed the outcome of the election. (As opposed to my existential depression to which I am reconciled.)

I will be blunt. I find it somewhat off-putting that you all are discussing this as if it were politics as usual.

Here's a couple of links to chew on.

http://www.newsworks.org/index.php/n...rkness-at-noon

http://www.newsobserver.com/opinion/...127571229.html

I could try to sugarcoat it, but the blunt truth is that the South has risen again yet one more time and the spiritual heirs of the Secesh now control the government. Richard Nixon's Southern Strategy has come full-circle.

I'm a Southern Boy. I can see what's happening. Can you?
 
Old 01-20-2017, 10:06 PM   #13
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Actually, I think he wrote(!) a particularly good speech . . . I was pleasantly surprised.
 
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In my opinion, we are at a point in our history where there are ominous signs of movement toward an authoritarian state. Unless men and women of conscience and wisdom, in both political parties, recognize the danger signals, we are likely to drift into a state of affairs from which there is no return.
I see it differently, and again I know I keep playing this same tune but this is truly what I feel was the root cause of the election of Trump. The dems after eight years are just waay out of touch (not surprising), but in my view you have these people primarily from the west that seem to have this very condescending view towards anyone who does not agree with them, and they know whats best. Sorry I keep bringing this up, but the very idea of political correctness, you can't say this, you shouldn't think that - vote this way or you are a racist - it is thought crime/control - you also see this at universities too. We are already living in an intellectual/thought authoritarian state. Hillary was the catalyst. Its not that people who voted for Trump are fascists, racists, rednecks, etc. Its because Clinton was essentially THE establishment. You were SUPPOSED to vote for her, but look people didn't - and now you have what you have. I don't like Trump, but again I blame Hillary for this - things MAY have been different if it weren't Hillary - but thats who was the nominee, what did you think was going to happen? Muh Russians? NO! They had nothing to do with this, face it , Hillary was worse than Trump, period.

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It's late, I'm tired, and I'm out of patience. A person I love was in tears tonight when she finally realized that the outcome of the election was indeed the outcome of the election. (As opposed to my existential depression to which I am reconciled.)

I will be blunt. I find it somewhat off-putting that you all are discussing this as if it were politics as usual.

Here's a couple of links to chew on.

http://www.newsworks.org/index.php/n...rkness-at-noon

http://www.newsobserver.com/opinion/...127571229.html

I could try to sugarcoat it, but the blunt truth is that the South has risen again yet one more time and the spiritual heirs of the Secesh now control the government. Richard Nixon's Southern Strategy has come full-circle.

I'm a Southern Boy. I can see what's happening. Can you?

I am old enough to " know what is coming " to these United States and I am wise enough to " keep my head down " because I still remember " the old days " and what was very common back then!! The hostility and the brutality that is coming will be no surprise to me; I know how to deal with it!!

Is Donald Trump at war??

http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2017...claration-war/

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