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Old 01-20-2017, 11:00 PM   #16
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I am old enough to " know what is coming " to these United States and I am wise enough to " keep my head down " because I still remember " the old days " and what was very common back then!! The hostility and the brutality that is coming will be no surprise to me; I know how to deal with it!!
I am only 34 - so would you please care elaborate and give someone like me some pointers on how to deal with it too?
 
Old 01-21-2017, 09:42 AM   #17
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I see it differently, and again I know I keep playing this same tune but this is truly what I feel was the root cause of the election of Trump. The dems after eight years are just waay out of touch (not surprising), but in my view you have these people primarily from the west that seem to have this very condescending view towards anyone who does not agree with them, and they know whats best. Sorry I keep bringing this up, but the very idea of political correctness, you can't say this, you shouldn't think that - vote this way or you are a racist - it is thought crime/control [...]

We are already living in an intellectual/thought authoritarian state. Hillary was the catalyst. Its not that people who voted for Trump are fascists, racists, rednecks, etc. Its because Clinton was essentially THE establishment. You were SUPPOSED to vote for her, but look people didn't - and now you have what you have.
That is a very interesting observation, Jeebizz, and I agree with it.

Someone told Donald that he should not say, "America First!," because to this person this was similar to what someone was said to have said in pre-WW2 Germany with regard to the Jews ... trying to lure America into the War, no less. Very tasty: to a person obsessed with "correctness" it would have been a sock in his mouth. Donald ignored the objection and used the phrase anyway – knowing that only a tenured academic historian would know or care about the other, but that hundreds of millions of people would know exactly what he was really trying to say.

It really is "thought control." Instead of this, I very much like the phrase that Donald used in his speech: "we must speak our minds openly."

While no one should be an asshole a vulgar boor, people indeed should be able to speak their minds openly (provided that they are also willing to listen). If they just engage in potty-talk or really have nothing to say, they shouldn't continue to expect a Fox News headline.

Yes, Hillary was "Bill Clinton, the Sequel,™" and really nothing more. She won the populous States and mostly ignored the rest. But then our two-tiered electoral system went to work and presented her with "a sea of red." Even though she crowed about winning the popular vote, if you subtracted California (which has nearly twice the population of any other), that was gone, too.

She lost the election, very decisively. And she never allowed it to enter her head even one time that she might. Neither did any of her lackeys and yes-(wo)men. A few days before the election, when she was strutting around as though she'd already won, I thought to myself, "this is gonna be a Red Sea, and you will act surprised only because you will not see." And it was.

The subsequent actions of the Electors was just the humiliating layer of icing.

I confess that I am becoming more and more intrigued by this man Donald, and I will be weighing "the End-Of-The-World As-We-Know-It chicken-little talk" that we heard so much of, against what in the next few days and weeks he actually does.

I'm beginning to think that the Office of the President is never going to be the same ... and, in a good(!) way ... after this man holds the Office. Because, IMHO, no one in Washington DC at any level of Government has been listening to the American people for about forty years. Something finally "snapped." Something had to be done. Now, is he the man to do it?

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Old 01-21-2017, 09:49 AM   #18
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I am only 34 - so would you please care elaborate and give someone like me some pointers on how to deal with it too?
At 34 years of age you are already set in your ways; and you do not know the behind the scenes reality that existed in these United States from its inception!! In the next 4 years the Donald Trump administration will undoubtedly teach you, and everyone else, what " true ownership and servitude " are all about!!
 
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And they say Trump supporters are deplorable

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Old 01-21-2017, 11:35 AM   #20
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That is a very interesting observation, Jeebizz, and I agree with it.

Someone told Donald that he should not say, "America First!," because to this person this was similar to what someone was said to have said in pre-WW2 Germany with regard to the Jews ... trying to lure America into the War, no less. Very tasty: to a person obsessed with "correctness" it would have been a sock in his mouth. Donald ignored the objection and used the phrase anyway knowing that only a tenured academic historian would know or care about the other, but that hundreds of millions of people would know exactly what he was really trying to say.

It really is "thought control." Instead of this, I very much like the phrase that Donald used in his speech: "we must speak our minds openly."

While no one should be an asshole a vulgar boor, people indeed should be able to speak their minds openly (provided that they are also willing to listen). If they just engage in potty-talk or really have nothing to say, they shouldn't continue to expect a Fox News headline.

Yes, Hillary was "Bill Clinton, the Sequel," and really nothing more. She won the populous States and mostly ignored the rest. But then our two-tiered electoral system went to work and presented her with "a sea of red." Even though she crowed about winning the popular vote, if you subtracted California (which has nearly twice the population of any other), that was gone, too.

She lost the election, very decisively. And she never allowed it to enter her head even one time that she might. Neither did any of her lackeys and yes-(wo)men. A few days before the election, when she was strutting around as though she'd already won, I thought to myself, "this is gonna be a Red Sea, and you will act surprised only because you will not see." And it was.

The subsequent actions of the Electors was just the humiliating layer of icing.

I confess that I am becoming more and more intrigued by this man Donald, and I will be weighing "the End-Of-The-World As-We-Know-It chicken-little talk" that we heard so much of, against what in the next few days and weeks he actually does.

I'm beginning to think that the Office of the President is never going to be the same ... and, in a good(!) way ... after this man holds the Office. Because, IMHO, no one in Washington DC at any level of Government has been listening to the American people for about forty years. Something finally "snapped." Something had to be done. Now, is he the man to do it?
All very apt - but now you see the left with their continued protests. They are trying to drown everything out, and have been doing so even before Trump's election. This mob mentality that practically has become fascist and ironically they do not realise it. They are so engrossed in their own world that THEY are not willing to listen.
 
Old 01-21-2017, 12:57 PM   #21
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There are some that see the writing on the wall and know who is really " running this sideshow "!!
https://theintercept.com/2017/01/20/...hs-capitalism/
 
Old 01-21-2017, 01:33 PM   #22
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There are some that see the writing on the wall and know who is really " running this sideshow "!!
https://theintercept.com/2017/01/20/...hs-capitalism/
That article is spot on - but I can't help that it would have been the same with Clinton as well, and so I think I can conclude that this could be same wolf underneath but this time the exterior is completely new. The irony also pointed out that Trump is NOW the establishment - so it is all likely he will be consumed by it like all others.

There is a fine line here, but I also do not see this as some kind of ultra-nationalistic movement - and nothing wrong in my view of putting America first - all nations do that to some degree already. I have pointed out in this thread however that it is seen as wrong to want sensible policies towards a secure border, and not just letting every person in. I think that is sensible and logical, but the other side sees it as somehow reprehensible. I do not want to steer this thread to that, that is why I created a separate thread specifically on that subject of PC, nationalism, identity politics, etc.
 
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Trump is the " hood ornament " that replaced Obama who was the " hood ornament " that replaced Bush; the " vehicle underneath " always remains the same!! The " rich puppeteers " have always run the show throughout humanities entire existence and everything that they do is for their " very own class " of people!! As always the " poor patsies " and the " middle class patsies " will be set at each others throats while the rich keep on getting even richer year after year after year!!
 
Old 01-21-2017, 02:09 PM   #24
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Trump is the " hood ornament " that replaced Obama who was the " hood ornament " that replaced Bush; the " vehicle underneath " always remains the same!! The " rich puppeteers " have always run the show throughout humanities entire existence and everything that they do is for their " very own class " of people!! As always the " poor patsies " and the " middle class patsies " will be set at each others throats while the rich keep on getting even richer year after year after year!!
What we have now most likely is a paradox and I think this gentleman has an interesting take, he posted this yesterday:



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Old 01-21-2017, 05:49 PM   #25
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As usual, I think Jimmy Dore sums it up nicely....

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