I want to agree with you XavierP, I really do! I write myself too. But so many of those, so to speak, "poor sods" use open code and sources to create a program. Want to sell it? Buy Borland Full package, create, and sell

I can not buy it but still use it. I don't, but I could. I'm not whining, I'm just going with the flow.

You remind me of a friend of mine. I love the guy but he's a tad evil. Good thing he's not too bright either. The biggest difference between you and him, he's not a complete asshole.

That was rather rude!
We still don't know how to control our emotions.....

The fact that now two moderators are involved leads me to see a future lock.....

Well, I have full sympathy for software developers who wish to price their products. All good to them.

The difference between them and Microsoft is that Microsoft is a large company and they have gone out of the way to harass genuine customers by asking them to re-activate when they change hardware. Of course, I can understand their anti-piracy drive, but if it could be done in such a way as to not hassle their genuine, paying customers, it would be good.

I think nobody wants copied, illegal software from some "poor sod" who probably makes end meet from his bedroom. I think the fact that there is so much piracy of specifically Microsoft products is because in their anti-piracy drive, they have made it so hard for genuine users to comply with their rather officious policies and EULA.

No people pirate software just cause they are cheap. They could sell MS OS for $80 (and they do at Newegg you can get XP Home for $86) and people would still steal it. And they only ask for reactivation after a major hardware change not like swapping in more ram or video card. We are talking new motherboards. You simply cannot justify piracy. 2 wrongs do not make a right. Ok you don't liek the anti-piracy system in Windows XP frankly I can definitly relate to that. However stealing Windows does not make the problem go away it just shows MS that they are not trying hard enough.

That was not my point at all. I was not condoning anything myself. I was just saying why I felt that more and more prefer to crack Windows XP to calling up Microsoft to reactivate it.

It's not that hard to look at it from their point of view.

We hear a lot about people wanting to "just get things done" when it comes to Linux arguments. I think the same logic can be used here. People just want to "get it done" rather than go through the hassle of asking Microsoft permission to reactivate their XP again.

You better watch who your calling an asshole there.. and yes you are whining.
You took the time to create a thread to only rant on about how Windows should die but you keep it around anyways. Then your bitching cause you have to reinstall and activate the product once again. You use it so you have to play by their rules or you can simply not use it. It's that easy and I was trying to point out that your no better than the old women who wants a license but doesn't want to wait in line, tough shit, deal with it and move on by not wasting LQ.org's resources with the same old sob story everyone's heard and dealt with when they first started doing the activation after so many installs type deal.. it's rather old and pointless argument. Probably one of the many reasons why there was a member that suggested you create a blog if you want to rant and rave about something so old and rather boring in my opinion.

But before you reply to this, first read our rules, specifically the one that says not to make personal attacks upon others, that includes moderators like myself that can revoke your posting privileges if you persist in breaking such rules.

http://www.linuxquestions.org/rules.php

PS. The difference between my post and yours, you deliberately called me an asshole, I just simply stated you were "acting" like an old whiny woman.. big difference!

You attacked first.
I didn't create this thread.
I was simply making a point, I didn't expect he would actually do what I said.


My conclusion: There is no legal way around the activation. I've heard several complaints from legit users that couldn't activate theirs. Microsoft doesn't care as long as most user can activate it.

Activation isn't all bad; in fact my company has architected activation schemes for local software publishers. We got it right in that we implemented it such that publishers' customers can de-activate the software in order to reinstall, upgrade their systems, or transfer licenses. Also, one of our clients decided to be more lenient and allow an undocumented dual activation; in other words, they have no problem allowing two concurrent installations per license (for engineers who telecommute) so we gave them the flexibility on the server side to define exactly how activation is limited. We also implemented time-based activations for their clients who want to subscibe to the software (license it over time) rather than buy it.

Adobe got it right because they also allow de-activation to allow license transfer, and they also allow dual concurrent installations, so you can install on two machines based on one license. We have CS2 here (only one seat so far, I've been waiting on my upgrade to CS2 because I want a Linux version) and we installed it on only one machine, but we've upgraded that machine to a Pentium 4 (from a dual Pentium II) and the de-activate/re-activate worked flawlessly. I really like Adobe's implementation, plus they won't try to sue their customers when they sell old retired licenses.

Microsoft's Activation scheme sucks. They do not allow de-activation. If you change hardware too much (such as remove and install hard drives for diagnostics, data recovery, test video cards, etc.) the activation forces you to re-activate, sometimes reulting in a phone call and questioning from their gestapo. Likewise, reinstalls are frequent thanks to user browser habits and machines getting loaded up with the latest CWS scumware variants, not to mention miserable drive failure rates (in machines we manufacture we include ONLY drives with a three-year or longer warranty; we WILL NOT sell a drive with a one-year warranty). Lastly, if you decide you no longer want to run Windows XP or Micro$uck Office, and put the software up feeBay, Micro$uck will sue you. They do not believe in the doctrine of the right of first sale and have hijacked the courts to push their agenda.

*BLEEP* Micro$uck.

The reason you are not allowed to put any MS software that is not new on ebay is because there is a good chance that you will buy windows xp pro for 150 bucks get it try and install it and find out someone else has it already installed. Oops. Anyways MS licensing scheme is simple. 1 license on 1 PC. Thats all. It has been that way since as far back as I can remember just now they enforce that.

Most people don't care since they buy their PC and the Manufacturer already activated it for them and its very rare that people ever reformat the machine on their own. ANd basically the only people who need to worry is the ethusist community who toy with PC's all the time and they pretty accepted it and moved on. And whenever I called MS I was not questioned by the Gestapo if anything its usually and automated service. Otherwise if there is an issue a human talks to me I tell them that I was replacing such and such parts and they are like ok here you go.

Overall an inconvenience but not one that I feel like going on a personal vendetta for there are much more annoying things in life.

by KimVette
QUOTE :: "... They do not believe in the doctrine of the right of first sale ..."

what exactly is " the right of first sale " ?
does every products should/must honoured the right of first sale entitled to every purchasers of the product immediately or after warrenty period or some others(i'm guessing down here) ...


not sure about the exact legal jargons when asking the above though ...

lol you want it working just crack it its a piece of $|-|17 anyway
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Manny1337, there has already been a warning about advising members to pirate software, your post was totally unnecessary and against the rules

As has already been said companies need to make money and that is a lot more difficult when everyone's ripping off your products. If you feel Windows is so bad then don't use it. If you want to use Windows then you will have to put up with all their anti-crack procedures unless you want to buy the corporate version

The open source community is very lucky in that there are people willing to put time and effort into making a product and allow others to use it, improve it, derive products from it and for the most part for no cost. How many car companies give away free cars?

seems the mods got to you before I could reply, lol