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Old 12-02-2009, 02:06 AM   #1
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Which CD/DVD writing tool use on Debian stable (lenny)?


Two questions:
1) Faq debian.
Quote:
In Debian etch stato inserito un fork di cdrecord, si raccomanda di usare wodim al posto di cdrecord.
Why is recommended to use wodim instead of cdrecord?
Is that recomandation valid even now?
2) Which light GUI can i use?
I have used graveman in archlinux, are there alterntive light on debian?
I wan't use brasero because there are a lot of dependencies with gnome.

xcdroast seem nice but it's only an alpha package.
Version: 0.98+0alpha15-11.2
 
Old 12-02-2009, 05:36 AM   #2
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1) Interesting. I was under the impression that growisofs was the recommended tool these days. But maybe that is just for DVDs.

2) I think xcdroast has been around for sometime. Don't let the fact that the version number says "alpha" scare you off. These sort of version numbers are often more of an indication of the authors own personal standards than of the software's quality.
Additionally, if it's in Debian stable, you can be pretty sure it's ok.

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Old 12-02-2009, 06:55 AM   #3
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cdrskin - command line CD/DVD/BD writing tool
mybashburn - ncurses rather than GUI.
Burn data and create songs with interactive dialog box
This application can burn data cds, music cds, multisession cds. It can burn
and create ISO files. It can burn bin/cue files, create oggs and flac files.
Supports burning DVD-images and data DVDs, and others funny options.
MyBashBurn depends on cdrecord and others backend applications, so basically
if your writing device works with it, MyBashBurn will work flawlessly.


I use k3b in lxde it has a lot fewer depends than brasero, the lightest GUi is probably going to be xdroast.
 
Old 12-02-2009, 09:53 AM   #4
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Thanks.

Note:
When is possible i prefer avoid dependencies with fat desktop manager as gnome and kde.
 
Old 12-02-2009, 11:12 AM   #5
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Two questions:
1) Faq debian.

Why is recommended to use wodim instead of cdrecord?
Is that recomandation valid even now?
...
xcdroast seem nice but it's only an alpha package.
Version: 0.98+0alpha15-11.2
It was never recommended to use wodim instead of cdrecord.

Wodim is an outdated version of cdrecord with new bugs added
that never get fixed. There is no development for wodim and
support mails are usually ignored for wodim. There is no
working UTF-8 support in genisoimage and files > 4 GB are
not supported.

With the original software, there are new versions with
an average frequency of 2-3 weeks and bug reports are
handled in a very fast way (a typical bug report results
in a fix a few hours later). The original software did
add a lot of new features during the past 5 years that are
all missing in the fork.

Last edited by schily; 12-02-2009 at 11:14 AM.
 
Old 12-03-2009, 12:07 PM   #6
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Wodim is an outdated version of cdrecord with new bugs added
that never get fixed. There is no development for wodim and
support mails are usually ignored for wodim. There is no
working UTF-8 support in genisoimage and files > 4 GB are
not supported.
Well well, heartily greetings to a Debian-ignorant!
Don't blare loudly from the tower if you haven't been in the lowries.

My aptitude, uptodate to the the last quarter of an hour, tells me:
[ ]
idA wodim -934kB 9:1.1.9-1 9:1.1.9-1
wodim will be removed

The following packages depend on wodim and will be broken by its removal:
* cdrecord depends on wodim (>=5:1.0~pre1-1)
* k3b depends on wodim | cdrskin
* xcdroast depends on wodim
[ ]

Your turn now to explain, what the developers of/in Debian-squeeze had in mind, when they stipulated these dependencies ON wodim!

Good night.
 
Old 12-03-2009, 03:00 PM   #7
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$ apt-cache show wodim
Package: wodim
Priority: optional
Section: otherosfs
Installed-Size: 836
Maintainer: Joerg Jaspert <joerg@debian.org>
Architecture: i386
Source: cdrkit
Version: 9:1.1.10-1
Replaces: cdrecord (<< 5:1.0~pre1-1), cdrtools-doc (<< 5:1.0~pre1-1)
Depends: libc6 (>= 2.7), libcap2 (>= 2.10)
Recommends: genisoimage
Suggests: cdrkit-doc
Conflicts: cdrecord (<< 5:1.0~pre1-1), xcdroast (<< 0.98+0alpha15-11)
Filename: pool/main/c/cdrkit/wodim_1.1.10-1_i386.deb
Size: 429788
MD5sum: 2e73c74debcc9d5da43160c0dc1fde02
SHA1: f5a72767ae555e79e22a4f3e8f8644279499cf9c
SHA256: 00d5c5fd17f0d5d67d6570b75d3d7e49a15ffbb02e9ec8c1491ac3859ab83800
Description: command line CD/DVD writing tool
wodim allows you to create CDs or DVDs on a CD/DVD recorder.
It supports writing data, audio, mixed, multi-session, and CD+ disc and DVD
data and video disks on DVD capable devices, on just about every type of
CD/DVD recorder out there.


Depends in testing often get screwed up especially when packages get removed for some odd bug.

Quote:
Wodim is an outdated version of cdrecord with new bugs added
that never get fixed. There is no development for wodim and
support mails are usually ignored for wodim. There is no
working UTF-8 support in genisoimage and files > 4 GB are
not supported.
Hm then why do apps like k3b (which work great) depends on wodim and not cdrecord.

Code:
$ apt-cache depends k3b
k3b
  Depends: kdelibs4c2a
  Depends: libacl1
  Depends: libart-2.0-2
  Depends: libattr1
  Depends: libaudio2
  Depends: libc6
  Depends: libdbus-1-3
  Depends: libdbus-qt-1-1c2
  Depends: libdvdread4
  Depends: libexpat1
  Depends: libfam0
    libgamin0
  Depends: libfontconfig1
  Depends: libfreetype6
  Depends: libgcc1
  Depends: libhal1
  Depends: libice6
  Depends: libidn11
  Depends: libjpeg62
  Depends: libk3b3
  Depends: libmusicbrainz4c2a
  Depends: libpng12-0
  Depends: libqt3-mt
  Depends: libsm6
  Depends: libstdc++6
  Depends: libx11-6
  Depends: libxcursor1
  Depends: libxext6
  Depends: libxft2
  Depends: libxi6
  Depends: libxinerama1
  Depends: libxrandr2
  Depends: libxrender1
  Depends: libxt6
  Depends: zlib1g
 |Depends: wodim
  Depends: cdrskin
  Depends: cdparanoia
  Depends: genisoimage
  Depends: kdelibs-data
  Depends: cdrdao
  Depends: k3b-data
  Suggests: k3b-i18n
  Suggests: normalize-audio
  Suggests: <toolame>
  Suggests: sox
  Suggests: movixmaker-2
  Recommends: vcdimager
  Recommends: dvd+rw-tools
  Recommends: <kdebase-kio-plugins>
  Recommends: <kcontrol>
  Recommends: libk3b3-extracodecs
  Replaces: libk3b3
 
Old 12-04-2009, 04:26 AM   #8
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Phiebie View Post
My aptitude, uptodate to the the last quarter of an hour, tells me:
[ ]
idA wodim -934kB 9:1.1.9-1 9:1.1.9-1
wodim will be removed

The following packages depend on wodim and will be broken by its removal:
* cdrecord depends on wodim (>=5:1.0~pre1-1)
* k3b depends on wodim | cdrskin
* xcdroast depends on wodim
[ ]

Your turn now to explain, what the developers of/in Debian-squeeze had in mind, when they stipulated these dependencies ON wodim!

Good night.

Well, you discovered a real problem that was created by hostile
downstream packaging maintainers. I recommend you to post bug
reports against these packages in order to inform other people
about the broken packaging.

Cdrecord is of course the independent and _maintained_ original
software and as software in general must not overwrite files from
other software, wodim/cdrkit should of course not overwrite files
from the software "cdrtools". Cdrtools installs the following
programs:
/etc/default
/etc/default/cdrecord
/etc/default/rscsi
/usr/bin/btcflash
/usr/bin/cdda2wav
/usr/bin/cdrecord
/usr/bin/mkisofs
/usr/bin/mkhybrid -> mkisofs
/usr/bin/devdump
/usr/bin/isodump
/usr/bin/isoinfo
/usr/bin/isovfy
/usr/bin/isodebug
/usr/bin/readcd
/usr/bin/scgcheck
/usr/bin/scgskeleton
/usr/sbin/rscsi

If you later install "cdrkit" most of the above programs will be
overwritten by defective variants from the "cdrkit" package.

As Debian does not have the permission to use the program names
of the original software for something that is not the original
software. So what Debian does is also a legal problem.
 
Old 12-04-2009, 07:33 AM   #9
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2) Which light GUI can i use?
I have used graveman in archlinux, are there alterntive light on debian?
I wan't use brasero because there are a lot of dependencies with gnome.
You can try XFCE, which is a bit lighter than Gnome. If you need something really light then you can try a window manager like Fluxbox or Openbox.
If you go with XFCE, then you can use the XFCE CD / DVD burner xfburn. From what I have read around the LQ forums xfburn works pretty well.
Graveman is also probably available in the Debian repos if you prefer that.

Last edited by tommcd; 12-04-2009 at 07:35 AM.
 
Old 12-09-2009, 06:55 AM   #10
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I have tried run mybashburn.
There is an annoying bug that when you try to start it from an X terminal you quit immediately.
But it sufficient change the dimensions of the X terminal to resolve.
I haven't try to used directly when i'm outside X but seem that in that case the problem don't appear.
When i tried it better i said if is ok or not.

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You can try XFCE, which is a bit lighter than Gnome. If you need something really light then you can try a window manager like Fluxbox or Openbox.
If you go with XFCE, then you can use the XFCE CD / DVD burner xfburn. From what I have read around the LQ forums xfburn works pretty well.
I prefer use the window manager icewm because a desktop manager (even Xfce) took away too many resource while i don't like much fluxbox and openbox.
The only time that i have tried openbox don't function, while i don't like much fluxbox for the configuration and the bar.

Recently i have tried even Milax (an opensolaris small live cd) that use a different window manager and other things, but how much time i must use for obtain the same configurations?

Quote:
Originally Posted by tommcd View Post
Graveman is also probably available in the Debian repos if you prefer that.
List of sections in "lenny"
Unfortunately graveman seem don't present on the repository.

Last edited by AleLinuxBSD; 12-10-2009 at 12:22 AM.
 
Old 12-14-2009, 12:39 AM   #11
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Yesterday I have tried mybashburn and xcdroast to burn an Iso on a cd-rw but unfortunately i haven't success for configuration problem so in the end i use directly cdrecord.
 
Old 12-14-2009, 10:41 AM   #12
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Yesterday I have tried mybashburn and xcdroast to burn an Iso on a cd-rw but unfortunately i haven't success for configuration problem so in the end i use directly cdrecord.
Have you tried xfburn
http://www.xfce.org/projects/xfburn/
As I have discussed, xfburn is the XFCE CD / DVD burning tool. I have not personally used it, but I have read that it works well.
I can't think of any other GUI programs you could use. If you can't use xfburn, then the command line tools cdrecord, growisofs, etc will work well and use minimum computer resources as you have mentioned.
 
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Old 12-15-2009, 12:38 AM   #13
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Seem interesting.
$ sudo apt-get install xfburn
0 aggiornati, 8 installati, 0 da rimuovere e 0 non aggiornati.
necessario prendere 7267kB di archivi.
Dopo quest'operazione, verranno occupati 15,0MB di spazio su disco.
Vs
$ sudo apt-get install brasero
0 aggiornati, 23 installati, 0 da rimuovere e 0 non aggiornati.
necessario prendere 35,7MB di archivi.
Dopo quest'operazione, verranno occupati 54,2MB di spazio su disco.

I would like give a try.
 
Old 12-15-2009, 01:32 PM   #14
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Well, if you don't want to use Brasero you can give Gnomebaker a shot. I used it for along time until I moved over to Brasero.
 
Old 12-16-2009, 01:53 AM   #15
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I have used Gnomebaker in the past, with very bad result, before use Brasero.
The problem in using this application is a lot of dependencies with Gnome.

However i used xfburn and i'm happy about the result.
I think is a right compromise between GUI user-friendly and don't heavy application with few dependencies.
 
  


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