noy directed at me but i remember posts and threads that talked about people hsving issues with some of the snap apps that they were using vs the regular synaptic /terminsl sppd thry intalled and ran.

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Absolutely. I'm not referring to all Snap packages, just ones with software from Microsoft. The latter is putting "telemetry" in everything, it fingerprints users far more than the browser alone does (look up panopticlick for an idea how much your browser says about you) and basically, if you use someone else's computer-- they might know it's you.

Canonical is far from neutral about this, they are promoting Snap packages with Microsoft offerings: https://www.reddit.com/r/privacy/com...io_code_sends/

The problem with privacy is that people don't consider (or understand) the implications. Fingerprinting (the kind with ink pads) is just a picture of your thumb, what's the big deal? http://www.perilocity.com/2007/10/fingerprint-fal.html

However, the idea of privacy is that you don't give up information that isn't needed. and Microsoft really doesn't need constant monitoring of every touch and movement, which is then built into a profile that identifies you just as much as facial recognition. This is too much-- and it doesn't benefit the user nearly enough to justify it. And Microsoft just doesn't care. They like it, and that's all that matters.

Ultimately this makes you less safe. But if it's not guaranteed to make you less safe within a given amount of time, people naturally flag it as a non-issue and go on with their business.

Then later, when they find out how it's abused, they get angry and feel betrayed (because that's accurate) while the people who took it seriously in the beginning don't want to gloat and say "I told you so," they would rather that people listen. But they're not going to.

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An argument can be made that as long as we live in a market that is TOTALLY absorbed in monetizing everything (such as personal data)
we will find ourselves victim of the extreme effort to gather personal data. Marketing is a business model unto itself, so any data
gathered that can be utilized for the purpose of 'targeted marketing' is going to be aggressively pursued.
I am a believer in 'never say never', but I largely use Ask.com as my default search engine and can usually find good results to
my search query. I have used Google for an occasional search, but avoid it for the most part.
My larger concern is Android phones (although there is ample evidence that Apple behaves as a shameless advertizer/targeted marketer, too)
Google is absolutely shameless in total control of the Android cell phone experience with non removable apps and updates that are only
for the expansion of ads that one sees on their cell phone. Yes, I do use an Android phone (cheap) and am speaking from experience.
As to Facebook, I do have an account and have not accessed it much. But with family/friends passing along info through this method alone
I am going to have to look at it more. Necessary, but I am not too happy about it.
So ok, I've vented, and hope i have contributed something. Craig

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I completely agree with you, but an argument can also be made that as long as we care about people having rights, we should aggressively pursue those-- or give into the onslaught of attacks on them.

And I'm not favour of the latter, so aggressively pursue rights for everyone it is. Sadly, I notice that a lot of people aren't even egalitarian anymore. Well, I am. Because no matter how they twist it, "rights" are "rights" when they're for everybody-- and you can't "even it out" by taking rights from some people to give to someone else. They're never "rights" until they're for everyone. Though rights are a much more complex topic than most people will ever consider. We can simplify by talking about rights that are considered givens within certain geographical regions. That's a lot better than not talking about them at all.

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first things first: yes, that video is outdated.

two questions remain:

• what is ubuntu doing nowadays with user data etc. (imo there can be no doubt that something is happening there - maybe nothing bad, maybe just crash reports or popularity-contest - which is debian software btw)
• since bodhi builds its own on top of some ubuntu base, is it affected by ubuntu data mining, and to what extent, and are the devs taking active countermeasures

???

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