LinuxQuestions.org
Welcome to the most active Linux Forum on the web.
Go Back   LinuxQuestions.org > Blogs > ondoho
User Name
Password

Notices


  1. Old Comment

    How to use CODE Tags for Code and Command Output

    Another way to post info (esp if you can't use copy&paste): |nc termbin.com 9999

    One other way (esp if you "can't" use copy&paste) is:

    |nc termbin.com 9999

    like <some command(s), even cat aFile> | nc termbin.com 9999

    You can look at the website http://termbin.com for more info (9999 is a network 'port')

    You could even combine commands in a subshell, like:
    Code:
    $ (uname -a; df .; sudo inxi -mx; free) | nc termbin.com 9999
    https://termbin.com/uorq
    The info can be seen via the URL returned (expires after a while)

    An example file to `cat` is /var/log/Xorg.0.log

    Also, another way to capture things into a file is the script [filename] command. See: man script

    This blog has info on the "Go Advanced" button (to get the # in the toolbar), and noparse (to display the code tags). The "BB Code" link (at the bottom of posts) documents all tags.

    p.s. note the "Rate this (blog) Entry" at top enables us to give ondoho the 5stars they deserve
    Posted 09-01-2021 at 06:41 PM by GentleThotSeaMonkey GentleThotSeaMonkey is offline
    Updated 09-02-2021 at 12:58 AM by GentleThotSeaMonkey
  2. Old Comment

    An Open Letter To LinuxQuestions

    i might one day make a blog post titled "We are all Trolls (to some degree)".

    Quote:
    Originally Posted by cynwulf View Comment
    My experience of forum staff over the last decade or so, is that if you challenge the status quo in anyway, you will have a target painted on you. Mud sticks and all that.
    thanks for your comment, too, and sorry for not noticing it earlier.
    the strange thing is that my "challenge" actually helped me with that feeling.
    as you say later on in this comment: I am mostly "myself", but I tend to keep "shields up".
    i am more relaxed now - if not, i'd have to seriously question the point of frequenting these forums. because let's face it, who really comes here only to ask & answer technical questions (i know, there's always some hypocrites who maintain that they do)?

    Quote:
    The reality is that the staff can't read everything. This is why provoke - report trolls are successful in this kind of environment. They dance the line, use weasel words and then when the time is right, hit the button.
    The trolls know they will win every time against the more emotional or direct members, in this kind of environment.
    From my perspective, if I get an inline reproach or warning at LQ about one of my posts, it's because there has been a report. The staff will of course not reveal that.
    all of this.

    Quote:
    Sadly you either host and run your own board, or you deal with it. I've seen far worse than LQ...
    i deal with it and still manage to have some fun.

    Quote:
    On a board I frequented for many years and recently returned to - along with another long absent member, a far worse scenario recently played out.
    ...
    sounds familiar. i had similar experiences.
    a few (*) trolls are very clever, much cleverer than many moderators.

    (*) very few. the majority is dumb as ... and very, very transparent.
    Posted 04-14-2019 at 04:26 AM by ondoho ondoho is offline
  3. Old Comment

    An Open Letter To LinuxQuestions

    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Philip Lacroix View Comment
    Hello Ondoho
    thanks for your comment.
    i have noticed it only now; i have to check if there's some cp setting to notify me of blog comments.
    anyhow, the thread ran its course and everything's been discussed.
    writing the original post was cathartic for me and as I said therein, one of the desired effects was to gain some distance from all this BS, and not take it too seriously.
    that i have achieved.

    i might one day make a blog post titled "We are all Trolls (to some degree)".
    Posted 04-14-2019 at 04:09 AM by ondoho ondoho is offline
  4. Old Comment

    An Open Letter To LinuxQuestions

    My experience of forum staff over the last decade or so, is that if you challenge the status quo in anyway, you will have a target painted on you. Mud sticks and all that.

    It can be hard to shake that off. The idea that forums such as this one are moderated 100%, efficiently and by unbiased people is unfortunately a fantasy.

    The reality is that the staff can't read everything. This is why provoke - report trolls are successful in this kind of environment. They dance the line, use weasel words and then when the time is right, hit the button.

    The trolls know they will win every time against the more emotional or direct members, in this kind of environment.

    From my perspective, if I get an inline reproach or warning at LQ about one of my posts, it's because there has been a report. The staff will of course not reveal that.

    Sadly you either host and run your own board, or you deal with it. I've seen far worse than LQ...

    On a board I frequented for many years and recently returned to - along with another long absent member, a far worse scenario recently played out.

    There has been an outstanding "A hole" operating there for years. When he trolls threads, the staff don't see through the trolling, but warn both the troll and the members he provokes...

    Anyone on that board would have welcomed, or been indifferent to, our return except A hole (and his sock puppet account). The sock puppet is obvious, but the staff there would not accept it because sock puppet has been posting from another IP for as long as A hole has. The staff just can't conceive that there could be proxies, VPNs or other unusual circumstances involved.

    In the end the staff did a brilliant job of turning the entire thing around and directing it back at us - the two long term members who returned after years, were trolled and attacked in our absence and were trolled and attacked on our return.

    In every case, sock puppet used a thinly veiled different style to A hole, in every case, sock puppet leads to stir it up and then "the man", arrives to stick the knife in and twist it... it's the same pattern again and again, but not alt accounts, oh no...

    The horrible thing about A hole/sock puppet, is his never ending unfounded grudge, jealousy, downright hatred of some forum users he had never met in real life... these kind of people exist. They're reading your posts, waiting for you to slip up, trolling, hitting the report button, etc - that online world is often their only world.

    My main point is that you may want to "be yourself", but with these seriously fucked up individuals crawling all over the WWW, that's not so smart. I am mostly "myself", but I tend to keep "shields up".

    It's either that or "reinvent" yourself with a new account and start afresh. Even then, the staff will still see that it's you, will still have their own reservations, still paint a new target...

    When all is said done, forum staff probably won't see it the way you do, it's just a pointless waste of energy worrying about it or thinking that forum staff might one day be impartial. Deal with it, leave, grow a thicker skin.

    I left and came back few times. I may leave again, who can say what the future holds...

    Sometimes, if it's all getting a bit too serious, then you just need a good long break.
    Posted 02-06-2019 at 09:55 AM by cynwulf cynwulf is offline
    Updated 02-06-2019 at 10:05 AM by cynwulf
  5. Old Comment

    An Open Letter To LinuxQuestions

    Hello Ondoho

    I've just read your letter and I have some thoughts which you might find useful, or not.

    I wouldn't take such kind of "moderation" too personally, although it definitely can be unpleasant. I've never been directly involved in Mara's moderation activities, but I did see at least one intervention by rmistler. Here it is:

    Message pour dire bonjour ŕ la communeauté [#10]

    The OP was very polite, and he explained that his English was bad but he could write in French or German. Some of us then informed him about the rules, either in English and in French. See, there was no "underground conspiracy" in French only. But look at the moderator's intervention. It seemed very harsh to me, too harsh for the context, even if he was trying to enforce the rules.

    His reply to your first example seems to be on a similar line: harsh and grumpy, and a bit out of proportion: I don't see any "harsh joke" there, unless I'm missing something. I also fail to see where the alleged "insult" in the third example actually is. Finally, Mara's note about your reply to yet another instance of the "I have nothing to hide" routine was a bit out of track as well, in my opinion, as I don't see any actual "attack" there. I see a bit of sarcasm and humour from you at most, which sometimes I like to use as well. However, not everyone likes sarcasm and humour, and I suspect that some people here take themselves quite seriously, just as in the real world.

    Another example. A couple of years ago, one of LQ's most respectful, patient and generous members was warned, together with a well disguised troll, by one of the mods I respect most. The former was pointing out that the troll had intentionally misquoted a scientific paper, and that he was spreading around huge misconceptions about science. The troll denied, against all evidence. The moderator warned both of them with an equal weight, and it took the intervention of another member to request a more just moderation, which eventually happened.

    Anyway, I do understand your concern. Since you cannot change the mods very much, next time you want to say something tongue-in-cheek you might do an experiment, and say it in a more elaborate form: the moderators might recognize it more easily for what it is, and simply leave you alone. As you realized, communicating in online forums is different than in real life: nuances are lost more easily, hence it is easier to be misunderstood. I learned that on my own skin as well.

    Cheers, and see you on the forums

    Philip
    Posted 02-05-2019 at 12:23 PM by Philip Lacroix Philip Lacroix is offline
    Updated 02-05-2019 at 12:42 PM by Philip Lacroix

  



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 04:23 AM.

Main Menu
Advertisement
Advertisement
My LQ
Write for LQ
LinuxQuestions.org is looking for people interested in writing Editorials, Articles, Reviews, and more. If you'd like to contribute content, let us know.
Main Menu
Syndicate
RSS1  Latest Threads
RSS1  LQ News
Twitter: @linuxquestions
Open Source Consulting | Domain Registration