"if kde and gnome compete, there are no winners, so stop talking like this"

Wrong again. Competition is good. Only good things can happen for gnome when they constantly see their desktop coming in second. Then again, perhaps now they have gone the corporate route they feel they don't have to chase anyone.

No I will not stop talking like this. Whenever I see idiots with an agenda spreading lies to further their pathetic little crusade I WILL say something.
I invite everyone who is reading this to search all your previous posts and see for themselves the constant stream of anti-KDE claptrap that spews forth from you and make up their own minds. Posting an anti-KDE rant in a thread about ndsiwrapper in Mandrake says it all. You have no credibility at all.

By the way, how is your "developing" going? Would love to know what projects you are working on. Loser.

Guys, it seems like we are getting too passionate about the GNOME v KDE debate. Lets not get personal and continue the discussion in a friendly manner.

That's almost bound to happen when discussing GNOME Vs KDE, much like Emacs Vs VI(M)

Here is an excerpt of Jeff Waugh's response to Linus Torvalds now famous post about gnome's usability problems. Jeff Waugh is a former Release Manager for Gnome. He is a leading developer on Gnome's Window Manager and works for Canonical Limited, the firm behind Ubuntu Linux.

"I totally understand where you're coming from. In fact, I spoke about this at length during my keynote at GUADEC earlier this year. Putting GNOME on a long-term mission towards the 99.9% of users who don't care about computers involved a massive cultural shift. On one hand, we've achieved great things for the Free Software desktop in pursuing this mission. On the other hand, it has been a pretty singular focus, so in some ways we've gone too far, not concentrating on scaling up to the needs of our hardcore users. We can fix that from where we are. It's much harder to go the other way. We've already felt that pain in the leap from GNOME 1.4 to 2.0. Never again".

I'm sure intelligent gnome users will be delighted when real functionality starts being introduced in gnome.

*sigh*... I never thought personal preferences would wind up such emotional discussions and fights over what the freaking heck you use and what any other person uses... I'll never understand that.

Agreed! They're only desktop environments - if you like one, use it, and leave it there. Period.

Though I started off with Gnome desktop environment (and still use it sometimes), I have since switched over to KDE, which has advanced a lot over the years.

You are right Reddazz. One of my posts probably went a little too far on the personal side and I apologize for that. They are just desktop environments and preferences we are discussing and users expressing what they do/dont like in a constructive way is a healthy thing. What isnt healthy is when people resort to lies and fud trying to prove that their choice of desktop is superior. This is what I object to:

"in addition, the applications are far better(more developed, more professional, more professional looking, less cluttered interface, more imaginative) in GNOME"
" i don't have much time for KDE with all its bugs, frequent random crashes, and not so good appearence"
"GNOME developers are far more imiginative and inventive than KDE developers, the latter of whom seem to be rather lacking"
"i really don't like the cheap look and feel of qt and kde. kde applications seem to be prone to crashing and are slow to load up"
"kde will never be as usable as gnome....ever. the reason why is that its been going in the wrong direction ever since it was first developeed"
"its more advanced(eg things like drag and drop, sound(ie gstreamer), mounting of devices are a lot better in gnome)"
"koffice is rubbish without a doubt"
"reviewers were saying that kspread is totally useless and doesn't work at all"
"amorak and k3b, while quite good, are too unstable and crash all the time"
"it should also do something about its stability(erm, lack of) too"
"you will find kde crashing every 10 minutes (its usually even more frequent than this) too"

Linuxquestions.org is a fantastic website, and a great resource for people new to Linux and those thinking about changing over. To see this sort of crap being pedalled by a Linux user on a website such as this should never be tolerated.

I don't see how fighting over "what is the best Desktop Environment" makes their development any faster.

no, you're wrong (again). competition is good to a degree....but not in this sense.




so marcusesq follows it up with this:





hehe if you say so

oh i understand now! if jeff waugh agrees with mr torvalds, they must be right .




neither do i, but marcusesq does. "competition is good"(marcusesq quote). i've tried to educate him on how gnome and kde serve different purposes, but its a case of 'in one ear and out the other'. nothing changes.

"oh i understand now! if jeff waugh agrees with mr torvalds, they must be right"

You are not capable of understanding it. But that dosn't matter. The people who do matter accept the criticisms of gnome and are planning changes to this end for gnome3.

I'm sure you will be the first to be singing its praises from the rooftops when it happens too!

There is no spoon

since when have i not accepted the criticisms of gnome. i accept the criticisms of gnome because as ive been saying, nothing is perfect. its just that nobody accepts yours because you talk rubbish.

I was very impressed with KDE so I would vote for KDE.
I am fine with all of the DE, I hope that XFCE gets more momentum since
its very promising, and I also hope that someone can wrap together Gnome
more similar to how KDE and XFCE are packaged and distributed (Compiling
Gnome is a bit more difficult )

KDE totally. I've tried Gnome also but can't get used to it.