well that's bulls**t. I know quite a lot of people who "came from Windows" to the world of Linux and prefer Gnome over KDE for the simple reason they thing KDE is ugly and difficult to handle. And on the other hand, I do personally know people who had been using Mac computers (or some other non-Windows style OS) and yet found KDE nicer than Gnome. Both of these people are many. It is true that some decide to use KDE rather than Gnome for it "resembles Windows", but you really cannot use the word "usually" in this case.

I myself find this question just as sane today as asking whether or not you find other lifeforms in the space before sun goes completely down. The question itself is, I've noticed, important for those who are very young to Linux or Unix systems (quite a lot of people fight about this and when they grow older, tend not to keep on fighting because they get the big picture) and don't realize that it's really not an important matter. You can't say you'll keep talking about this because newbies need to know what's best for them, since they'll find it out if they want.

I myself prefer using console as long as possible, because of the fact that it doesn't use resources as much as X does. Then again, if I need graphical UIs, I launch a "lightweight" window manager (or "Failsafe terminal" in some cases) if I only need X to run some app remotely (say Mathematica or Maple). If I want to have a nice sunday, I'll put in Gnome for it looks way better than KDE - that's because I've made it to look. KDE's "tuning" takes a lot more time. Again, if I need some fancy apps like Kopete, then it's KDE for Gnome doesn't have such a nice app. And I really don't get why people would need to have that one sole uniquely "best" desktop environment if they have the freedom to switch it whenever they want. You're all M$-grown, learnt to use only one product; open your eyes and use them all, and choose the one that suits the situation best.

Oh, and if you want to argue about why it's difficult to switch desktops..no, it's not. I myself had some time ago a script that randomly chose it for me. Like iPod Shuffle.

read post 44 (you can also do a search on the forum for where mark shuttelworth himself said this):
http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthre...=157627&page=5

btw do you always believe false information conveyed for the purposes of propaganda?



i don't think i would agree with that. i used gnome before i first used apple mac. i was always a windows guy. i dislike the awful appearence and functionality of kde partly for that reason. i used kde for years until i got so sick of it i could take no more. gnome has improved drastically since those days whereas lkde is just beoming more and more messy, disorganised, cluttered, and buggy. the only thing thats improved since kde 2.0 is the speed. but even now its way slower than gnome 2.14.


another beef i have against kde is their lack of originality and copycat nature. at least gnome has some originality and own direction. there are lots of examples of where kde has(or will) started using technology that gnome currently uses and that gnome used first. for example:
-gstreamer (arts anyone? hehe)
-SVG (no native support until kde 4 whereas gnome has it now)
-dbus (no more dcop for the kde peeps. its dbus from soon on)
-cairo (kde guys are going to have to wait for arthur when he eventually wakes up. if he ever does)
-human interface guidelines (this is part of the reason why kde is so messy and cluttered. but kde will (one day) get their own HIG after copying gnome)
-corba(ok, so the kde dropped it quickly in favour of kparts, but it emphesises the copycat nature and lack of originality of the kde devs).
-there are others but thats what i can think of off hand

but can anyone think of an example where the gnome guys have copied kde? no, thats because there isn't any instances.

NoWindowsInMyHome, you seriously believe that your arguments will in the least sway your opponent online? From my (extensive) experience, I'd say no chance in hell. The only thing your doing is making yourself be tied to Gnome more and your opponent to KDE. The argument is no longer constructive; it is destructive. It is based on how much you can destroy of your opponent. "Propaganda"?? Chill people. This is not the cold war. Use whatever you want. Even run X without a windows manager. No need to beat someone else over the head for their choices.

Who are you trying to convince with this rubbish? You've spent months on this forum bagging everything about KDE from the software to its developers. Look at the results of the poll. No one listened to you. You then turn around and say that the nearly 65% of Linux users who prefer to use KDE weren't knowledgeable enough to know any better. Good luck trying to convince these people now.
If you want the real reason KDE is gaining ground over Gnome you have to look no further than the way they have done their marketing for KDE. For about the last 3 or 4 releases KDE have been cleaning up their interface (obviously not enough for you) due to feedback from users. They listen to what their users want rather than telling them what they need. A good example of this is how much respect the developers have for the ideas presented through the Karamba project. (Read the forums). For KDE 4 they have spent the last 12 months or so taking submissions from their users on software design, usability etc, even running competitions to raise the quality of these submissions. They formed the Appeal project last year to tie all these ideas together for KDE 4.
I have no doubt KDE users (and a lot of others) will love KDE 4 when it comes.
I have no doubt you will kick the shit out of it. I also have no doubt the polls will be showing a 3:1 user ratio next year when KDE 4 is released.

P.S. Take this as an example of KDE not copying Gnome.

hey, we could also start a fight under the topic "my shell is better than yours - bash against crap"

well that's something odd..I haven't seen much change in the interface over the last three years? ok, new nice themes and stuff, maybe, but that's what is coming up all the time everywhere. KDE's interface itself has not changed too much, not in the last few months anyway. but it has become more like a candy these days (maybe I did like the old KDE 2 or older better).

One more thing: I'm hoping we're not going to the wrong direction with KDE and Gnome on top these days. Ok, GTK (2) and Qt are the giants of today, but isn't it annoying that you have to have either of them (or both, actually, these days..if you want to run the nicest apps) installed in order to use an application? I think that's the reason I like using console (more and more every day); even if KDE was beautiful and Gnome handsome, running a GTK app inside KDE or Qt-app inside Gnome looks horrible. And yet it's often just the front-end. Windows, on the other hand, has it's pros because you don't have to hunt for a good-looking front-end for your desktop, if such exists, you only have options that fit to your desktop (or then some themed-thingies that eitehr do fit or then don't). I hope this will not lead to the point where all the apps are either GTK- or Qt-based, no console version (backend) available to be used alone, and people going mad about it..

After all the graphical UI just slows down the work or makes it inaccurate, in most of the cases (image-editing and videostuffs might be the other case). Goddamn. I'm throwing my desktops into trash right now

Yeah, nothing earth shattering but they have reorganized and cleaned up the menus, especially the right click menus which did get a bit silly there for a while.
Where I work we have an engineering department that has around 50 workstations. After looking at how these people have set up their desktops I have been convinced of two things:
1. Beauty is definitely in the eye of the beholder.
2. Default settings mean very little.
As long as people can make their computers look and behave in a way that suits them, everyones happy.

Not really.
Remember those are engineers at your work. Most 'regular people' don't bother to customize. In fact 99% of the PCs I ever saw, ones that were used by people who actually do use them, had XP Luna in the default blue colour. I think about third of those users aren't even aware they can change it.

But I'm not talking about the 'I just use this typewriter because I must' people. About half of those who 'know their way' still do not change the default look.

Pls Can U Tells Me How I Can Do Pls.

Cuz I Can't Delete Java From Control Panel

Thanx

What "control panel" are you talking about? Is this a Windows question? If so, it belongs in General. Please give more info if you want help!

xfce no doubt

I have 2 64 bit Intel PC's at home with Suse 64bitv. 10.0 installed. Whatever I tried, I can not get the sound to work. Any suggestions?
Hans

Not to be rude, but please post this as a separate thread in the appropriate section (I'd guess in the distros/SuSE section would be better) as it will draw more attention.

Just make sure you also provide detailed information about the hardware you are using [hint!, hint!] and which modules are loaded [hint!, hint!]. Oh, and try to be as descriptive as you can!

i vote for gnome...i have been using this for the last 2 years..and i dont want to change my DE...east or west....gnome is the best...

can anybody tell me whats wrong w/ this shell script?

echo
echo "ITB-268
echo "final Exam"
date
cat file1 file2 > file3
cat calendar > myyear
echo $name

petepete, I think this is not the right place to ask.