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Old 11-29-2014, 01:54 PM   #91
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Do you think that you're the only one here that have a job and are forced to do
this or that? I'd like to use Slackware in my server but I'm forced to use
CentOS, anyway I don't systematically come here to ask Patrick to include
features to end converting Slackware in another RedHat clone.
I'd gladly answer that, but I'm forced to watch the next episode of "The Newsroom", which is brilliant by the way.

Have fun,

Niki
 
Old 11-29-2014, 03:07 PM   #92
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I'd like to use Slackware in my server but I'm forced to use
CentOS, anyway I don't systematically come here to ask Patrick to include
features to end converting Slackware in another RedHat clone.
So Slackware is your good old gramophone after all. Once in the real world you have to use those fancy mp3 players.

It's a pity how this distribution became a hobbyist's toy. Sort of LFS made easy. Making it functional in today computing environment doesn't mean to turn it into a clone.

Cheers
 
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Old 11-29-2014, 03:49 PM   #93
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Did you say hobbyist? Hmm... That reminds me an Open Letter to Hobbyists [1] that I've read a while ago.

What's funny is that the guy who wrote it then became the richest man in the world, just selling software for hobbyists as if they were usable for professional tasks, without anyone noticing.

Well done, congrats Bill

[1] Copy of the whole newsletter where it was published can be accessed here.

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Old 11-29-2014, 04:14 PM   #94
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Wasn't that the same guy who once said that the computer would never need more than 64K of RAM. And who didn't believe in Internet neither.

He got one thing right after all. People don't care about the philosophy or technicality behind the OS. They just want to get their job done. The easiest possible way.

Cheers
 
Old 11-29-2014, 04:36 PM   #95
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[1] Copy of the whole newsletter where it was published can be accessed here.
Oh boy. A cassette digital modulator and a cassette data receiver. Oh, how I miss the old time

Thanks for sharing

Cheers
 
Old 11-29-2014, 05:32 PM   #96
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[Bill Gates] got one thing right after all. People don't care about the philosophy or technicality behind the OS. They just want to get their job done. The easiest possible way.
Nice to know we have people here who know what the entire human race wants.

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Old 11-30-2014, 05:26 PM   #97
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So Slackware is your good old gramophone after all. Once in the real world you have to use those fancy mp3 players.

It's a pity how this distribution became a hobbyist's toy. Sort of LFS made easy. Making it functional in today computing environment doesn't mean to turn it into a clone.

Cheers
No, this requires some explanation.

I'm not forced to use CentOS because Slackware lacks some *useful*
functionality. I have not enough clients in my web server to pay a
dedicated server, that's why I have to rent a reseller and resign myself
to use what most companies use. The features Slackware lacks are those
that companies like, you know with servers users happens the same that
happens with desktop users, they aren't real unix admins, they has no
interest in learning to manage a Unix system, they want to push the
button and get the server running and manage it from WYSIWYG interfaces
ala Windows. That's why when the issue appears you send them tickets
and they don't know what to do, I have to teach them what to do (and
they are billing me for that technical support they don't give me).

In my desktop Slackware does all what I need.

I had an old gramophone at my parents, I had a record player too and of
course a modern music reproduction center. All in the same era. I used
to be a musician; before a big "change" I did in my life I was a
profesional violoncellist. Nobody think violoncellos are obsolete. I
played Bach and modern music on it. Besides I played electric guitar
and bass guitar in several music groups. But it was mostly the cello my
working tool (to earn my living). All that anachronisms in the same
era. Another example? Now I'm warming up my home with a fireplace, I
have electrical heating too but obviously I prefer the fireplace.

If you think Slackware cannot do the job is because *you* don't know
how.


Neither eloi nor morlock. Just a time traveler.

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Old 11-30-2014, 05:34 PM   #98
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Did you say hobbyist? Hmm... That reminds me an Open Letter to Hobbyists [1] that I've read a while ago.
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I wrote my funny version:

http://roquesor.com/article-3.php

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Old 11-30-2014, 08:07 PM   #99
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I'm not forced to use CentOS because Slackware lacks some *useful*
functionality.
...
The features Slackware lacks are those
that companies like
...
In my desktop Slackware does all what I need.


What's your point after all. And please no need to share your entire life. Just your point.

Cheers
 
Old 12-01-2014, 01:15 AM   #100
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If you think Slackware cannot do the job is because *you* don't know
how.
Aiming this at our fellow Slackware user ivandi is the biggest irony.
 
Old 12-01-2014, 03:55 AM   #101
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I'd gladly answer that, but I'm forced to watch the next episode of "The Newsroom", which is brilliant by the way.

Have fun,

Niki
Well, I've followed your good advice, I watched some TV series and
calmed down. Sorry but some people's "Do it or I'll kick your ass"
pedagogic methods make me a bit nervous :-).

I guess, taking in care what you explain in different threads in this
forum the issue is how to share files in a LAN. I'll tell you what I'd
do in general terms. I'd avoid to use Windows WORKGROUPS, NFS or any
shit alike. I'd use one machine as a file server and create there a
user for each user I have in the LAN and let them access via SSH (if you
installed Xfce on their machines you can create a folder using Thunar
SSH capabilities). Then in that server machine I'd manage groups and
perms in the traditional way.

But I've never been in charge of a big LAN, so surely I'm missing some
issues that you with your experience in this field know better than me.
In case to share your knowledge doesn't make you feel you lose control
over others I'd appreciate you teach me what you know.



PS: We have different views about what to "contribute" is.

http://www.bisdesign.ca/ivandi/slackware/SystemD/

Besides, showing me the ivandi's work you're now again using
"meritocracy" in the mafia way (i.e. AlienBob is a big contributor then
his insults are arguments and my arguments are insults). Please, stop
using fascist tricks to discredit others. Personally I value a rational
argument of yours as much as a Patrick Volkerding's one.

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Old 12-01-2014, 04:04 AM   #102
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What's your point after all. And please no need to share your entire life. Just your point.

Cheers
Well, I've explained my point 222 times in this forum. People assume
they *need* what others have. If your neighbor's car have a GPS you
assume your's needs a GPS too.
 
Old 12-01-2014, 04:18 AM   #103
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Wasn't that the same guy who once said that the computer would never need more than 64K of RAM.
Don't want to defend "the guy", but my version of this urban legend was to explain the 640K limit of IBM/PC/DOS systems (8088)...

And it have all chances to be a real urban legend, as I'd be surprised Bill had something to say on how Intel Processors Architects had designed the 8088 and IBM the PC standard, on its hardware limits.

Cheers,

Garry.
 
Old 12-01-2014, 04:43 AM   #104
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@eloi - I have to say that any points you might care to make are severely diminished by your apparent inability "to play nice with others". I am referring to the fact that you had been posting in the flowing manner that allows for each recipients client to adjust it to whatever screen size they have or choose.... that is until AlienBob mentioned that you had to be coaxed and bustled into such accommodation. Immediately you went back to 72 char blocks. I don't know whether to call that childish or curmudgeon but it IS just spiteful and an utterly meaningless, unimportant rebellion.

I'm truly not saying this to attack you. It is merely to get you to possibly review which battles you choose to fight and which has the least collateral damage, some of which rubs off on you. So I won't use any forceful terminology.

Please, Sir, review your choices and stop posting in 72 char blocks.
 
Old 12-01-2014, 04:49 AM   #105
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@kikinovak

I've found your howto:

http://docs.slackware.com/howtos:net...aming_profiles

I'll take a look.
 
  


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