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Old 06-09-2014, 04:50 AM   #196
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Someones got mad. Please, use all LQ. I'm quit.
better ignore this guy, i'm sure he is the same "san2ban" who was banned in the arch linux forums.
 
Old 06-09-2014, 05:22 AM   #197
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@Mods : You know what, they make LQ useless.
No they don't.

I agree he's not phrasing things the way he should (as in: be polite, respectful, be constructive) but you can't blithely enter a discussion asking a (to some) incendiary question like "Anyone hates Arch?" and not expect flak. (Just to be clear: that's not me "blaming" you, that's a forum Fact of Life. Of course you're free to leave but IMNSHO that would be taking the easy way out. Your choice, not mine.) That's why I posted a warning.

Like I said before one can, and should, voice an opinion but there's limits.
Should any of the "usual suspects" choose to transgress again in this thread or this forum let me know and I'll deal with it.


Now have fun and keep this a thread worth reading.
 
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Old 06-09-2014, 07:23 AM   #198
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My new favorite DE under Linux is KDE now. However, I think the Windows's desktop environment (whatever they call it) is much more comfortable. And no, I am not trolling. I do enjoy Windows 8.1 DE.
The desktop of Windows 8.1 is a legacy of Windows 7. The Windows 7 (Explorer) desktop was inspired by OS X, which had success with it's "dock", which was based on the NeXT GUI: Check out WindowMaker for a clone of that. And I think even WM is a better interface than the dated Windows95-inspired taskbar interface Xfce, GNOME2 and KDE provide. (I myself used WindowMaker for half a decade.) One of the reasons, why you see so many UNIX lovers using Mac clients nowadays.
 
Old 06-09-2014, 08:03 AM   #199
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dederon

you are right. I am he. But, I did not expect Arch snobs to come here and poke me
 
Old 06-09-2014, 08:29 AM   #200
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OT in that it applies to LQ not just this thread, but obviously since a mention has been made here, maybe not so OT.

First - @Tobi - You missed the point I was trying to make that there is a perceived difference between appearing helpful and inviting someone to "read the manual" by offering directions (ie - the link to the Manual), and talking to someone in a manner that feels like a beatdown.

I subscribe to many forums and I like LQ the best of all specifically because the Moderators don't try to be parents correcting bratty little children. They give respect so they get mine in return. LQ seems to at least attempt to be truly adult.

Anyone who has been in any sort of community on the net, whether Usenet, IRC, IMs, Forums, YouTube, whatever should be familiar with how easy it is to offend someone and/or be offended when all we have is text to go on with no body language visual clues and people from many different cultures, many for whom English is a second, third or even fourth language. It is we members responsibility to behave in a civilized and helpful manner even when we disagree, not the moderators unpleasant job to have to waste time being police. As long as communication is prime, it will become clear whether someone was misunderstood, just in a bad mood that day, or just has a mean personality and enjoys engaging in stupid "pissing contests".

If you don't want the TLDR version, you can stop here as the following is just an example to be as clear as possible.

In a gaming community where I was a leader and we used a voice chat application (better than raw text) and yet one day a member of my team did a really good job and I remarked "Dude, you are one bad mofo! Great job!" to which he fortunately felt comfortable enough to ask, "What does 'Mofo' mean?" When I told him it was American slang for "motherfucker" his reply was, "I think this is a very bad thing why would you call me that?" I tried to explain to him that in American culture it is used as a compliment and cited "Pulp Fiction" where Samuel Jackson's character had a wallet embossed with "Bad Motherfucker" as a sort of chest beating exclamation and perhaps a warning to anyone who thought to steal or not return it if it was misplaced or lost. Thankfully many Europeans on the team had seen the movie and assured him I was not the sort to put down people who worked hard and did well and that what I'd said about culture was true and not an attempt to "sell him rabbit shit for raisins". I think this event was a very good thing because it made it clear that it was not only allowed but preferred that people speak up and that all would be worked out between us, and furthermore a lesson in NOT jumping to conclusions and being easily offended where it is just SO easy to misinterpret.

Hopefully the good outweighs the bad and we have a nice balance between Freedom and Responsibility, resulting in the best sort of Forum possible. It baffles me how easily people, sometimes including myself, can forget the childhood mantra "Sticks and Stones may break my bones but names can never hurt me". Maybe it is because words can feel hurtful. I think we just have to accept the responsibility to act in a rational and helpful manner or accept that the alternative is a drab, sterile forum that will dissolve into nothingness like so many do.

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Old 06-09-2014, 11:08 AM   #201
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I subscribe to many forums and I like LQ the best of all specifically because the Moderators don't try to be parents correcting bratty little children. They give respect so they get mine in return. LQ seems to at least attempt to be truly adult.
I've been a user of Arch Linux for some time, in its beginnings. If you so much as talk about the weather in the Arch forums, the developers treat you like they're all members of the Royal Meteorological Society.
 
Old 06-10-2014, 02:33 AM   #202
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No they don't.

I agree he's not phrasing things the way he should (as in: be polite, respectful, be constructive) but you can't blithely enter a discussion asking a (to some) incendiary question like "Anyone hates Arch?" and not expect flak. (Just to be clear: that's not me "blaming" you, that's a forum Fact of Life. Of course you're free to leave but IMNSHO that would be taking the easy way out. Your choice, not mine.) That's why I posted a warning.

Like I said before one can, and should, voice an opinion but there's limits.
Should any of the "usual suspects" choose to transgress again in this thread or this forum let me know and I'll deal with it.


Now have fun and keep this a thread worth reading.
Nope, they do. I already post my opinion here. We can say anything. You can blame Arch. I can love Arch. It's our own freedom. But WTF is he talking about? Keep off LQ, this is Slackware forum. ??? Totally disgusting. They sucking LQ reputation.

EDIT

I have one question and one opinion.
Q: Can't we [Other Linux users] post on Slackware forum?
O: Please, add a forum rule something like 'respect others'.

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Old 06-10-2014, 05:55 AM   #203
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Q: Please, add a forum rule something like 'respect others'.
There are a few already. But, human nature being what it is, rules are sometimes ignored.
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Do not post any messages that are obscene, vulgar, sexually-orientated, hateful, threatening, or otherwise violative of any laws.
Personal attacks on others will not be tolerated.
Challenge others' points of view and opinions, but do so respectfully and thoughtfully ... without insult and personal attack. Differing opinions is one of the things that make this site great.

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Old 06-10-2014, 06:17 AM   #204
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Arch users do not post in any other thread, but they come and post here when they feel they are stung. WTF is he talking about? He had said "I am quits", why should he post again? Not a man of his word
I respect others, but those who poke me, will get it
 
Old 06-10-2014, 07:13 AM   #205
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Nope, they do. I already post my opinion here.
Noted.
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We can say anything.
Freedom of expression as exemplified by the quote from Evelyn Beatrice Hall "I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it" is a fundamental basis of democratic freedom.
However this is an open forum that has rules, designed to allow that freedom, but still requiring a standard of debate that rises above the use of gutter language and personal attack.
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You can blame Arch. I can love Arch. It's our own freedom.
Accepted. It is part of the FLOSS spirit that this website encapsulates.
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But WTF is he talking about? Keep off LQ, this is Slackware forum.
I actually read that as a very civil request to continue your contribution in a somewhat modified and helpful tone.
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??? Totally disgusting. They sucking LQ reputation.
I find public attacks on moderators at this site to be despicable. They have earned their status by freely giving very considerable amounts of their time and extensive knowledge, demonstrating coolheadedness in the face of provocation and being capable of showing an occasional wry sense of humour.
If you a have a complaint, I suggest that you take it up with the moderator in question via a PM. If unsatisfied, you can escalate to Jeremy, the site owner.

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I have one question and one opinion.
Q: Can't we [Other Linux users] post on Slackware forum?
O: Please, add a forum rule something like 'respect others'.
The Slackware forum is capable of handling robust debate when conducted according to forum rules. If your contributions meet those rules, then feel free to post.
As brianL has pointed out, the rule exists. My gentle reminder is that respect is earned, rather than being a right. If you try to convince with reasoned argument, I am amenable. Behave like a brat and you will be treated like a brat.
 
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Old 06-10-2014, 02:18 PM   #206
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I find public attacks on moderators at this site to be despicable.
I believe the intended antecedent of "they" was not the moderators, but the Arch users visiting this site (not that I agree with the sentiment either way.)
 
Old 06-10-2014, 03:01 PM   #207
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Arch users do not post in any other thread, but they come and post here when they feel they are stung. WTF is he talking about? He had said "I am quits", why should he post again? Not a man of his word
I respect others, but those who poke me, will get it
I come and post wherever I choose I'm just confrontational like that. The Slack section is the busiest sub-forum here so it's a magnet for folks that want to "chat". You can like that or not but there isn't much you can do about it.
 
Old 06-10-2014, 10:58 PM   #208
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My comments are direct against enindu, dederon, who want to poke me. You are welcome, if you want to join them. One on three would be exciting
 
Old 06-10-2014, 11:08 PM   #209
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I like Arch until systemD. SystemD is crashy. I'm amazed that it even ships as the default init system for some distros. I also started having issues with pacman... not crashes or anything, but, versions/back-tracking etc it became a PITA.
 
Old 06-10-2014, 11:12 PM   #210
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My new favorite DE under Linux is KDE now. However, I think the Windows's desktop environment (whatever they call it) is much more comfortable. And no, I am not trolling. I do enjoy Windows 8.1 DE.
So do I, in fact I prefer 8.1 to windows 7 tbh. Once you have what you need in Metro/Modern ... it's quite a nice operating environment. All that it needs is the ability to tile windows rather than only being able to vertically 'snap' them. That would be awesome (for the desktop anyways).
 
  


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