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Old 06-06-2014, 02:44 AM   #166
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I don't love or hate any distro or forum, I reserve those emotions for human beings I know personally. Nor do I cringe when someone hiding behind a pseudonym tells me to RTFM. I just dismiss them as arrogant, elitist ****s.
 
Old 06-06-2014, 03:56 AM   #167
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Nor do I cringe when someone hiding behind a pseudonym tells me to RTFM. I just dismiss them as arrogant, elitist ****s.
Someone who does not want to type an answer to a question that is easily found in the documentation (or does not want to copy and paste from said documentation), but instead tells the person asking the question to read the manual before asking a question is an elitist prick?
 
Old 06-06-2014, 04:05 AM   #168
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What's wrong with answering: "Read the man page/available docs."?
Or: "Have you read the man page/available docs?"?

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Old 06-06-2014, 04:50 AM   #169
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Nothing. I assumed your meaning was the usual complaint, where people complain about rudeness when they are told the manual exists. "You expect me to read? I want an answer. And quickly." I am glad I misunderstood you.
 
Old 06-06-2014, 05:11 AM   #170
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For 2 years I have used Arch. So you can .... ..

Keep your thoughts to yourself. You can roll with them, but dont advise me. This is slackware forum, where we slackers discuss on many things. arch users can keep off LQ. You love their forums, live there
 
Old 06-06-2014, 06:02 AM   #171
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Nothing. I assumed your meaning was the usual complaint, where people complain about rudeness when they are told the manual exists. "You expect me to read? I want an answer. And quickly." I am glad I misunderstood you.
Oh, yeah, it's hard to resist giving the RTFM answer in cases like that. I usually ignore the "URGENT! Give me step by step instructions to do whatever" posts. Even if I know the answer, which isn't very often.
I was responding to these bits of Germany_chris's post:
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Folks cringe and hate when Arch users tell someone to RTFM...The rudeness the community is famous for.
 
Old 06-06-2014, 06:48 AM   #172
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Agree. Probably less useful now, since they adopted SystemD.
Not at all, if you know how to translate the systemd parts of the Wiki (it usually comes down to enabling/disbling services) to your favorite init system it is still as useful as before.
 
Old 06-06-2014, 07:02 AM   #173
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Give a try to ArchBSD

Hi,

I am matured Linux hobbyist. I tried Linux distributions like Fedora, Debian, Ubuntu, LFS , Sabayon but still I'm working mostly on slack 12.2.
Now I've got 14.1 and 12.2 both installed with ntfs partition as shared folder.

I'm planning to install BSD of a some flavour. I found there is ArchBSD project: Arch bundled on FreeBSD.

For most Slackware users passing to BSD it is not a problem. If I can remember Slackware is said to be BSD-like distribution.

If you want to try ArchLinux give a chance ArchBSD.
 
Old 06-06-2014, 07:29 AM   #174
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I'm planning to install BSD of a some flavour. I found there is ArchBSD project: Arch bundled on FreeBSD.
I have not given ArchBSD a try. I had a look at their wiki and the installation process is well laid out.
I run FreeBSD 10.0 in Virtualbox and I dual boot Slackware with OpenBSD 5.5 on two machines. Both FreeBSD and OpenBSD are mature, well established BSDs.
Have fun!
 
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Old 06-06-2014, 11:09 AM   #175
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I really should try FreeBSD again. Last time I looked at it was back in the 4.something days. OpenBSD is my preference, but no nvidia drivers.

Tried Arch (pre-systemd version), liked some aspects, disliked other aspects. On the whole, it's not for me though. Both Arch and Gentoo wikis have been invaluable to me, so though I don't care to run their distros, I'm grateful to both groups.
 
Old 06-06-2014, 11:20 AM   #176
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Im wearing an OpenBSD shirt right now. I've used it primarily for its security and packet filter. Its definitely my favorite edge firewall.
 
Old 06-06-2014, 12:19 PM   #177
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Im wearing an OpenBSD shirt right now.
Hahaha, I'm wearing my OpenBSD shirt right now, too. Blue, wireframe Puffy.
 
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Old 06-06-2014, 04:02 PM   #178
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Guys, this tread is getting pretty negative.
Agreed.

@All: One can, and should, voice an opinion but there's limits. There's absolutely no need to sling mud at those unable to defend themselves here (no matter what) plus it doesn't really contribute constructively to any discussion. So beyond this point please check your reply before you post, OK?

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Old 06-06-2014, 04:08 PM   #179
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Hahaha, I'm wearing my OpenBSD shirt right now, too. Blue, wireframe Puffy.
No kidding. Me too. I ordered it a few weeks ago, came in on monday. I also got a poster.

Very cool.

I will say that it took about 3 weeks for my Shirt and Poster to get to Detroit MI from wherever (possibly mexico?) so if anyone ends up ordering the OpenBSD wares, which you should, be prepared for a wait.
 
Old 06-06-2014, 07:59 PM   #180
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Regarding RTFM as it applies to Arch or any other forum -

Admittedly I have fallen prey to the urge a time or three, but over time and in general I think I've come to a less "masturbatory" or chest-pounding (or both) utility. If one is truly concerned about the wasting of one's time, then just don't answer at all. Crickets are quite effective. If however you do deign to respond at all "RTFM" doesn't take that much less time than "Start HERE".

I walk a fine line about Linux Adoption, recognizing both that as it grows it will pass through "easier to find what I need" to lowest common denominator pop crap like Windows. However I have been a "victim" of great operating systems that lost support and have been marginalized into near uselessness, so I don't want that to happen to Linux. The middle ground is not clear cut, so if and when I have the time, I try to help.

Few of us enjoy the typical robot "interactive" menu we get on many websites and especially when calling a business on our phones, yet we somehow conclude that "getting a human" is different on forums... perhaps it is that illusion of anonymity. Additionally, in the real world, if most of us were driving in unfamiliar territory and after being lost for hours, stopped at a gas station for fuel and directions and were told "Buy a fucking map!" I'm betting the majority would be offended and conclude, "OK I'm never going near that town ever again".

Basic manners and helpfulness is not "gooey" or weak and being a jerk isn't strong, and even though in the wrong mood I can be either of those, it does seem at least less hypocritical and double standard to give as well as get, and manners puts frosting on that cake.

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