Slackware officially adds KDE 3.5.10 to version 13?

Franklin · 09-28-2009, 05:25 PM

A quote frome Pat from the README in the KDE directory for these unsupported packages:

Quote:

Hello folks!

Here is a set of KDE-3.5.10 packages for Slackware 13.0, both 32-bit
and 64-bit. Please note that upstream has discontinued support for KDE3.
There will be no further KDE3 updates for Slackware... this is it.
Furthermore, these package will probably not remain up for FTP once they
no longer work on the latest stable Slackware release.

I made the decision to provide this final set of packages after fielding
requests for help getting KDE3 to compile on x86_64, and upon checking it
out realized that the development environment has moved too far ahead for
KDE3 to be easily compiled. The same development issues existed on the
32-bit side as well, so after getting a set of packages working on x86_64,
I went ahead and made packages for 32-bit Slackware. With the included
patches, it should be a good base for making KDE3 packages for future
versions of Slackware too. Don't look for future updates for come from
us, though -- KDE4 is way to go, and KDE3 is dead. I know how it goes,
though... I've found over the years that no feature can ever be removed
without some fraction of users expressing disappointment (or even anger),
and KDE3 was a truly great desktop. However, in my opinion KDE4 has
already passed KDE3 in most regards and will only continue to improve.

The original goal when I started to play with KDE3 again was to figure out
a way to get it to coexist with KDE4, but now I'm fairly convinced that as
long as KDE4 is installed under /usr, that this is not going to be possible.
Trying to run KDE3 on a machine with KDE4 installed seems to result in both
desktops running at the same time. So, if you want to run this, follow
these instructions:

<snip>

mattydee · 09-28-2009, 06:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by easuter

You are labeled whiners because despite being repeatedly linked to pre-built KDE 3.5 packages and their SlackBuilds, you are still throwing your toys out of the pram.

We get it, you won't touch KDE 4 with a barge pole. Just install KDE 3.5 already!

HAHA.... ok
I still use KDE4 I'll have you know. I don't mind beta software that much...

lumak · 09-28-2009, 07:17 PM

what are you all using KDE for anyway? Bling just gets in the way. If you always have applications maximized, why do you need bling?

I think perhaps the better factor to concider is how well other applications support QT4. MythTV for example only has stable versions for QT3. If you want to install MythTV on slackware 13.0, you have to use an unstable SVN download.

WilliamS · 09-28-2009, 09:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GazL

I guess I just reacted badly to a blog post that presented no significant points of argument or evidence and merely resorted to the generalised bemoaning of a supposed "lack of options/configurability/features" in KDE4.

The author may very well have had valid arguments against KDE4. Unfortunately, he didn't bother to present any of them to his readers.

OK, here's one:installed 13, rebooted, heard a once-familiar beeping.
It was BIOS, telling me that the CPU fan was not running.

Makes sense, because that fan is in a box 20 feet away; I installed water cooling six years ago.

So into BIOS I go, and switch off the CPU fan detector again.

Anything that messes with BIOS is not for me. There were other problems, so I'll wait for Slackware 13.1

GazL · 09-29-2009, 04:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WilliamS

OK, here's one:installed 13, rebooted, heard a once-familiar beeping.
It was BIOS, telling me that the CPU fan was not running.

Makes sense, because that fan is in a box 20 feet away; I installed water cooling six years ago.

So into BIOS I go, and switch off the CPU fan detector again.

Anything that messes with BIOS is not for me. There were other problems, so I'll wait for Slackware 13.1

What on earth does that have to do with KDE4? I find it hard to believe that the KDE4 desktop is getting inside your bios nvram and changing settings. Anything low level like that is far more likely to be a bad kernel driver.

samac · 09-30-2009, 05:19 AM

I have installed the 64 bit version of Slackware 13.0 added Alien Bob's 32-bit compatibility layer and tried KDE4, XFCE4 and KDE3.5.10. These thoughts are not empirical they are only my feelings. KDE4 feels slow and as if it has some rough edges, all the bits are there they just don't fit closely. Xfce4 feels smooth and slick, yet ultimately incomplete. KDE3.5.10 feels familiar, complete and smooth.

It should be understood that the only parts of KDE3.5.10 that I have installed are kdebase and kdelibs, with the addition of kdei en_GB, k3b3 and k3b3 internationalization. In this setup it feels as fast as XFCE4 yet is more integrated.

My choice is KDE 3.5.10, and XFCE4.6.1 will be a worthy successor when all the bits are ready. KDE4.2.4 needs to improve dramatically.

samac

a4z · 10-04-2009, 10:54 AM

has anyone tested/installed the 32bit version of kde 3.5.10?

the reason why I ask is that here
ftp://ftp.slackware.com/pub/slackwar...packages/i486/

the kdelibs3-3.5.10-x86_64-opt2.txz seams to have the wrong ARCH

allix · 10-04-2009, 12:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by a4z

has anyone tested/installed the 32bit version of kde 3.5.10?

the reason why I ask is that here
ftp://ftp.slackware.com/pub/slackwar...packages/i486/

the kdelibs3-3.5.10-x86_64-opt2.txz seams to have the wrong ARCH

I noticed that too. Just installed it and is seems to work fine.

WilliamS · 10-04-2009, 07:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GazL

What on earth does that have to do with KDE4? I find it hard to believe that the KDE4 desktop is getting inside your bios nvram and changing settings. Anything low level like that is far more likely to be a bad kernel driver.

Installed 13 without KDE; no problem.

So there.

mattydee · 10-04-2009, 09:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WilliamS

Installed 13 without KDE; no problem.

So there.

I'm no fan of KDE4, but I doubt it was to blame your bios problem. There's no rational reason to think this... or at least you haven't provide one. Most likely like GazL said, it was a kernel driver issue or something at a lower level.

wadsworth · 02-10-2010, 06:59 AM

I put KDE 3.5.10 on a fresh install of Slackware 13.0 64bit,
but the kdepim3 package is missing. (I wanted akregator and kmail)

Turns out, kdepim-3.5.10 won't build on 13.0, but I found a patch
that seems to do the trick.

Code:

--- kdepim-3.5.10/kmail/editorwatcher.cpp.old
+++ kdepim-3.5.10/kmail/editorwatcher.cpp
@@ -40,22 +40,7 @@
 #include <linux/types.h>
 // Linux kernel headers are documented to not compile
 #define _S390_BITOPS_H
-#include <linux/inotify.h>
-
-static inline int inotify_init (void)
-{
-  return syscall (__NR_inotify_init);
-}
-
-static inline int inotify_add_watch (int fd, const char *name, __u32 mask)
-{
-  return syscall (__NR_inotify_add_watch, fd, name, mask);
-}
-
-static inline int inotify_rm_watch (int fd, __u32 wd)
-{
-  return syscall (__NR_inotify_rm_watch, fd, wd);
-}
+#include <sys/inotify.h>
 #endif
 
 using namespace KMail;

Just in case anyone's still interested.

I figure this is the last time I'll see the old KDE.
Can't be many people still using it, I've searched and found no mention
of this missing package.

EDIT:
Found another problem:
Automounting external drives doesn't work.
I'm assuming because the dbus-qt3 package is also missing.

I used the build scripts from 12.2 to build dbus-qt3-0.70.
An additional configure option is needed on 13.0:

--with-qt3-moc=/opt/kde3/bin/moc

Automounting still wouldn't work, but a thread on the "Linux from scratch"
forum pointed me towards rebuilding kdebase3.

That did the trick. Everything seems to work as well as ever,
so I'll try to use this version of KDE until 4.x adds a setting to disable
"mouse wheel scrolls through desktops" (I absolutely must be able to turn this off).

salemboot · 02-21-2010, 09:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by easuter

You are labeled whiners because despite being repeatedly linked to pre-built KDE 3.5 packages and their SlackBuilds, you are still throwing your toys out of the pram.

We get it, you won't touch KDE 4 with a barge pole. Just install KDE 3.5 already!

Which don't work quite so well.

Have you tried using Koffice lately in slack 13?

So stable it don't need a spell checker.