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Old 09-28-2009, 10:24 AM   #1
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Slackware officially adds KDE 3.5.10 to version 13?


All,

I've just been reading the latest Distro Watch Weekly and came across this:

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Slackware adds KDE 3.5 to repository, Debian announces two new package management systems, Ubuntu and Mandriva announce Moblin-based systems for netbooks, Fedora community launches Mini

Slackware Linux It seems the migration to KDE 4 is still hurting as distributions make the switch. Recently, the ever popular Slackware Linux reached version 13.0 and broke away from its previous mould by switching to the new desktop. It hasn't been as smooth as many were hoping, however, caused in part by the shipping of an older version 4.2.4 instead the 4.3 series. Unfortunately, this means that the 10,000 odd improvements made were not available in the new version of Slackware - a risky move for a desktop which has caused much controversy since its very first release. Last week, Patrick Volkerding released official packages of KDE 3.5.10 for Slackware Linux 13.0. While it's a welcome update for some, the future of the KDE 3 desktop on Slackware remains in question. Slackware will not be releasing any more updates to KDE 3, claiming that KDE 4 is the future, but some feel that it is still not on par with its predecessor. There are those who are trying to find a way to keep KDE 3 alive, but without support from the development team, is it just wishful thinking? Version 4 will undoubtedly become the greatest KDE desktop ever, but for some it's a slow road to success.
I can't read the link in the quote because blogs are blocked at my place of employment, but I haven't seen anything about this on Slackware.com or this forum.

What's the story?

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Old 09-28-2009, 10:26 AM   #2
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Packages are located on mirrors in unsupported directory.

http://ftp.linux.cz/pub/linux/slackw...for-slack13.0/

More about topic in README file.
 
Old 09-28-2009, 10:32 AM   #3
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Ah ha!

Thanks Kukibl. I was looking for it under the /slackware64-13.0/extra/ directory of my favorite mirror. I didn't think to look under /unsupported. The fact that it's unsupported would also explain why there's no announcement on the the slackware.com website. Still, an announcement of some sort would have been helpful. Possibly in the changelog?

Thanks again,
 
Old 09-28-2009, 10:42 AM   #4
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I can't read the link in the quote because blogs are blocked at my place of employment, but I haven't seen anything about this on Slackware.com or this forum.

What's the story?
Basically, there isn't one. Just some blogger going "KDE4 isn't as configurable as 3.5.... waaaaaah waaaaaah waaaaaah!"
 
Old 09-28-2009, 11:45 AM   #5
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I've got two computers I need to update to Slackware 13 -- an older Pentium III laptop and a brand new Athalon 64 desktop. I'll probably update the laptop first because I'm the only one who uses it. I'll likely keep KDE 4 on it and learn my way around. Depending on how well that works, I can upgrade the Desktop with KDE 4 or (now, thanks to Pat et. al.) downgrade it to KDE 3.5 if my wife has trouble with KDE 4.

It's nice to have the options, so we'll see how it works out.

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Old 09-28-2009, 12:02 PM   #6
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What's the story?
Basically, there isn't one. Just some blogger going "KDE4 isn't as configurable as 3.5
Hmm. I observe through the forum here that many people are unhappy with KDE 4.2.4. I observe that many wish 3.5.10 had been maintained concurrently for at least one Slackware release. Clear to me is that KDE 4.2.4 works well for some people and does not for others. My conclusion is that this one issue has splintered the Slackware community. To what degree I am unprepared to say. Yet I would say there is indeed a story here.

This issue is not about what is "right" or "wrong," but about choice. Most end-users are not skilled or qualifed to maintain something as complicated as the KDE software code. To be abandoned is bound to motivate a wide range fo emotions.

To mock the blog writer with a statement such as "waaaaaah waaaaaah waaaaaah!" is inappropriate.
 
Old 09-28-2009, 12:04 PM   #7
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Ah ha!
Thanks Kukibl. I was looking for it under the /slackware64-13.0/extra/ directory of my favorite mirror. I didn't think to look under /unsupported. The fact that it's unsupported would also explain why there's no announcement on the the slackware.com website. Still, an announcement of some sort would have been helpful. Possibly in the changelog?
Thanks again,
Which is exactly why I started the following thread:

http://www.linuxquestions.org/questi...stion.-757500/

It would have saved me a lot of grief.
 
Old 09-28-2009, 12:07 PM   #8
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I've got two computers I need to update to Slackware 13 -- an older Pentium III laptop and a brand new Athalon 64 desktop. I'll probably update the laptop first because I'm the only one who uses it. I'll likely keep KDE 4 on it and learn my way around. Depending on how well that works, I can upgrade the Desktop with KDE 4 or (now, thanks to Pat et. al.) downgrade it to KDE 3.5 if my wife has trouble with KDE 4.

It's nice to have the options, so we'll see how it works out.

Regards,
Need to or want to? theres a huge difference?
 
Old 09-28-2009, 01:29 PM   #9
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Need to or want to? theres a huge difference?
I don't understand what you're saying.
 
Old 09-28-2009, 01:30 PM   #10
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Which is exactly why I started the following thread:

http://www.linuxquestions.org/questi...stion.-757500/

It would have saved me a lot of grief.
Agreed. Usually the changelog has the best info, but a sticky thread for important announcements is a good idea.

Regards,
 
Old 09-28-2009, 02:43 PM   #11
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Basically, there isn't one. Just some blogger going "KDE4 isn't as configurable as 3.5.... waaaaaah waaaaaah waaaaaah!"
Just another one in denial: "Everything is fine. All those dissatisfied people are just whiners. Everything is fine. Everything is fine."
 
Old 09-28-2009, 03:44 PM   #12
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I saw this release as a gentle 'gift' to us. I have a feeling that (the not so old) 4.2.4 seems like a smart choice as there are more changes than those 10.000 improvements being made... KDE will mature and some time 4.3 will hit current. With all background indexing turned off, KDE 4.2.4 is being fast with little memory/processor consume.

XFCE was nicely packed, have a cool composite, is damn fast and resource friendly. If you like taskbar & startmenu, XFCE can be very functional and customized a lot. Go to rlworkman's repository and grab a few goodies to add new functionalities.

We have kde3 compat libs and now the whole 3.5.10. Why put more pressure? Just relax and let the 'crew' have some rest.

Last edited by BrZ; 09-28-2009 at 05:23 PM.
 
Old 09-28-2009, 03:52 PM   #13
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Only 10000 improvements? So few?? Hardly worth bothering with.
 
Old 09-28-2009, 04:46 PM   #14
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Just another one in denial: "Everything is fine. All those dissatisfied people are just whiners. Everything is fine. Everything is fine."
You are labeled whiners because despite being repeatedly linked to pre-built KDE 3.5 packages and their SlackBuilds, you are still throwing your toys out of the pram.

We get it, you won't touch KDE 4 with a barge pole. Just install KDE 3.5 already!

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Old 09-28-2009, 05:02 PM   #15
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To mock the blog writer with a statement such as "waaaaaah waaaaaah waaaaaah!" is inappropriate.
I guess I just reacted badly to a blog post that presented no significant points of argument or evidence and merely resorted to the generalised bemoaning of a supposed "lack of options/configurability/features" in KDE4.

The author may very well have had valid arguments against KDE4. Unfortunately, he didn't bother to present any of them to his readers. "Waaaaaah Waaaaaaah" may have been a bit childish, but it captures the tone of that blogpost quite well.
 
  


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