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Heh, no I understand what you're saying. I'm as bad as the next person for referring to the GNU OS's generally and loosely as "Linux", and also with no disrespect intended. Verbally lazy I guess.. There are 1000's of contributors to thank for what we have as an OS today.
Much of what I wrote above is based on what I recall from that RMS interview, so if there are problems of any sort with what I wrote, it's entirely my doing.
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especially when there are two forks emerging,illuminos and Openindiana...
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Just for the record, that's illumos not illuminos. OpenIndiana which was released today is the second distribution (soon to be based) on illumos. They aren't that much forks in the sense their (current) goal isn't to diverge from their original counterparts (Solaris OS/Network consolidation and OpenSolaris/Solaris 11 Express) but on the opposite to be as much as possible close to and compatible with them. They are often called sporks ...
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I can understand that with the small memories on computers (as compared to today)in the 80s how micro kernels would be the way to go
but today we can afford to waste a few MB on machine code that will rarely be used
like the justification of using assembly code to write whole applications is over so should be the justification of micro kernels
I can understand that with the small memories on computers (as compared to today)in the 80s how micro kernels would be the way to go
but today we can afford to waste a few MB on machine code that will rarely be used
like the justification of using assembly code to write whole applications is over so should be the justification of micro kernels
Fair enough explanation. I realize that GNU wrote the majority of the tools in a CLI only Linux environment. Other organizations wrote tools/software also though. And in a graphical environment, there are tons of orginizations/individuals writing the software, can we give everyone credit in the name of the OS? Linux is just a name that stuck, it's not taking a way credit from anyone in my opinion.
Ok, I secede now, instead of Slackware, we should give everyone credit who wrote software, lets call it: GNU/KDE/Fluxbox/OpenOffice/wicd/Linux.
Do you see my point, Linux is just a cool sounding name. When I use the term Linux for OS instead of for kernel, I am not trying to give Linus all the credit, or I am not trying to withhold credit from anyone, it just works, is easy to say, and sounds cool. Instead of talking to my buddy and saying, you should run "Genoolinux" on your PC.
The Hurd project is an interesting one, and I hope for its success. But it does not, IMHO, belong anywhere near the Slackware brand, yet.
It's encouraging to see you qualify your sentiment with the term, yet. However, I'll have to try Arch's latest version of the Hurd before deciding if it belongs anywhere near the Slackware "brand".
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Oh, and why have you grown tired of monolithic kernels? If it works, then what is there to grow tired of?
I could go on for ages and already have in several threads. One of my VIA motherboard computers wouldn't even boot for more than 6 months around 2006 while kernel developers decided on the most appropriate course of action... Lately, I've been plagued with optical disc mounting problems with my older nVidia MCP motherboard and SW64 13.1 ... probably another kernel problem.
Maybe, note the maybe. Regardless, I aim to give Arch's version of the Hurd I try. From recent experience with Linux kernels, the Mach/Hurd experience can't be much worse.
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Highly doubt Pat himself will start a project like that. All other ports are efforts of other individuals, even x86_64 which has been made official eventually, but thats entirely different.
Probably... I suspect Slackware will be largely ported to the Hurd eventually even if done by other parties. Personally, I'd love to see it happen ... now!
Microkernels "appear" to be superior way to go but if you look at the development -- everyone tries to make a true microkernel then several years later the development ceases. It's almost like development reaches a point and then the problems in microkernels are too difficult to overcome and the project ceases.
Well, we have Apple and QNX as successful distributors of micro-kernels ... Micro-kernels do work in desktop operating systems. Even pico-kernels such as Forth are possible to use.
When I use the term Linux for OS instead of for kernel, I am not trying to give Linus all the credit, or I am not trying to withhold credit from anyone, it just works, is easy to say, and sounds cool. Instead of talking to my buddy and saying, you should run "Genoolinux" on your PC.
Ok, I am going to quit now, :-)
Agreed ... simply a shortened version of a name and human nature to do so.
Even pico-kernels such as Forth are possible to use.
Yeah, but it won't look like anything that you're used to. Unless you're used to Forth. (I ported a copy of Laxen & Perry Forth 83 to a TRS-80 model 4p back in the day and have a copy of pfe installed.)
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