LinuxQuestions.org
Register a domain and help support LQ
Go Back   LinuxQuestions.org > Forums > Linux Forums > Linux - Distributions > Slackware
User Name
Password
Slackware This Forum is for the discussion of Slackware Linux.

Notices

Reply
 
Search this Thread
Old 05-12-2007, 02:09 PM   #16
Alien_Hominid
Senior Member
 
Registered: Oct 2005
Location: Lithuania
Distribution: Hybrid
Posts: 2,247

Rep: Reputation: 53

There is no problem to compile it yourself. We have never asked pidgin devs to compile the package for Slack, because we can do it ourselves.

And, BTW, gaim 1.5 was/is way better for me than their 2.0 stable.

Last edited by Alien_Hominid; 05-12-2007 at 02:10 PM.
 
Old 05-12-2007, 06:10 PM   #17
shadin
Member
 
Registered: Jun 2006
Posts: 44

Rep: Reputation: 15
Seems silly to move it to unsupported just because the developers don't use/like Slackware and stated so on their website. I hate when emotional reactions affect projects. If there were some kind of logical or technical reason for it being removed, I'd be fine.

Pat saying that he doesn't recall ever doing anything to the developers is just silly. Of course he didn't, they didn't make any personal attacks. They simply said they don't like Slackware because it doesn't have "true" (to them, ie, dependency resolution) packages. I love Pat, but he needs to separate himself from the distro. Two different things.
 
Old 05-12-2007, 06:39 PM   #18
jets0n
Member
 
Registered: Aug 2006
Distribution: Slackware | Ubuntu | Debian | CentOS
Posts: 34

Rep: Reputation: 15
I consider this to be very rude and offensive. I haven't seen any slackware users going around bashing package managers of other distros or bashing an IM client, especially one of GAIM's popularity. WTF has a package manager have to do with Pidgin? It makes me feel really angry, no one requested them to build a package for Slackware, and I compiled it just fine using a slackbuild from slackbuilds.org. Thank you for your rudeness and goodbye, I say.Off I go removing Pidgin and going back to Psi or Kopete.
 
Old 05-12-2007, 06:50 PM   #19
H_TeXMeX_H
Guru
 
Registered: Oct 2005
Location: $RANDOM
Distribution: slackware64
Posts: 12,928
Blog Entries: 2

Rep: Reputation: 1269Reputation: 1269Reputation: 1269Reputation: 1269Reputation: 1269Reputation: 1269Reputation: 1269Reputation: 1269Reputation: 1269
Somehow I feel there's more politics involved here than meets the eye. Where there's hatred, anger, bashing, etc., there's politics.
 
Old 05-12-2007, 07:50 PM   #20
Okie
Member
 
Registered: Mar 2002
Location: Oklahoma
Posts: 964

Rep: Reputation: 34
who are these people developing pidgin? if they are not smart enough to install slackware & compile source code on it then they should not be writing any software at all period! i dont think i want pidgin on my PC...
 
Old 05-12-2007, 08:11 PM   #21
davimint
Member
 
Registered: Jan 2006
Distribution: Slackware Current
Posts: 272

Rep: Reputation: 33
I was installing current today from the "changes and Hints text" for the first time when I ran across this package. After I had gotten everything updated I checked the new changelog to find Pat's post.

I've downloaded and installed alot of distro's just to see what all the "hooplah" was all about but it's just hard to match the simplicity and stability of Slackware. Maybe I wrong but wouldn't the folks at Pidgin want everyone to like and use their product. If I ever wrote a program I would be glad to have someone like Pat with his reputation & dedication to include it in his distro.
 
Old 05-13-2007, 02:26 AM   #22
Old_Fogie
Senior Member
 
Registered: Mar 2006
Distribution: SLACKWARE 4TW! =D
Posts: 1,515

Rep: Reputation: 62
My 0.02$

Like many here I too was completely shocked by this situation.

At first I said to myself, "well maybe the pidgeon people just banged out a quick blurb and then moved on". Then I read it again, and then noticed the time frame of this. It's quite evident that they have TRUE distaste (to put it nicely) for Slackware. I'm of the opinion that the original web-page was inappropriate.

As a result I will NOT use pidgeon; and they won't get my donation dollars until they make a formal apology. Changing the page does not undo the damage that has been done. I can't condone that hate speech by using their product until they apologize.

You know I actually went all throughout their site, and I can't see any place where they ask for a Slackware maintainer. Do you?

Regarding wether Mr. Pat V over-reacted. Well, he's got my support, and my $$

Let's face it, he eats alot of $hit regarding package management. But that page was malicious. You know, Mr. Pat V made a good point, the FACT that these guys can't get their act together to make a secure client is quite frightening. Because let's face it, most of us wouldn't even know how to write an IM client, but we have no problems making packages. Yet they can't do three simple packages over a full noob install? T Gosh I can smell the hubris!
 
Old 05-13-2007, 05:36 AM   #23
erklaerbaer
Member
 
Registered: Mar 2006
Posts: 381

Rep: Reputation: 30
Quote:
Originally Posted by shadin
Seems silly to move it to unsupported just because the developers don't use/like Slackware and stated so on their website. I hate when emotional reactions affect projects. If there were some kind of logical or technical reason for it being removed, I'd be fine.

Pat saying that he doesn't recall ever doing anything to the developers is just silly. Of course he didn't, they didn't make any personal attacks. They simply said they don't like Slackware because it doesn't have "true" (to them, ie, dependency resolution) packages. I love Pat, but he needs to separate himself from the distro. Two different things.
agreed.
in addition he also cited security concerns; however no security update to gaim was made since 11.0 . on the other hand i don't really care, if the package is "supported".
 
Old 05-13-2007, 07:13 AM   #24
Okie
Member
 
Registered: Mar 2002
Location: Oklahoma
Posts: 964

Rep: Reputation: 34
agrees with Old Fogie, if it was not for Slackware i would probably abandon Linux completely for FreeBSD, i find Slackware easy to install/configure & maintain, Slackware is without all the cruft & kludge that totally turn me off of other distros, Slackware is clean & lean just the way i like any OS/distro to be, i hope Pat V. keeps the methods & tradition that made Slackware what it is...

Slackware is quite user friendly, just not idiot friendly...
 
Old 05-13-2007, 01:04 PM   #25
unixfool
Member
 
Registered: May 2005
Location: Northern VA
Distribution: Slackware, Ubuntu, FreeBSD, OpenBSD, OS X
Posts: 781
Blog Entries: 8

Rep: Reputation: 157Reputation: 157
In IRC, the questions I normally see are "why doesn't Slackware have a package manager?" when it DOES. It appears that the Pidgin folks are as aloof as the Slackware noobs when it comes to this (and apparently other things, such as compiling). I've built my own GAIM packages in the past...if a non-developer can compile Pidgin/GAIM with no issues, why can't a Pidgin developer do the same??? Slackware isn't any different than any other distribution regarding compilation.

I really think the problem boils down to someone not understanding that not every distro has to have package management with dep checking. It sounds like the developers are relying more on the dep checking than actual compilation.

I, for one, am going to support Pat on this one. When someone visits freenode's ##slackware and asks for software support, he/she is usually told to visit that software's support channel (#pidgin) for proper support, although we also tend to run interference for developers on the whole. We'll certainly help with compiling from source, but there is now a definitive line on this issue, especially with Pat backing away from Pidgin. While I don't expect the channel to be overwhelmed with requests for Pidgin support, it certainly will not dominate the channel's flow.

I'm so glad I kicked GAIM to the curb a few months ago (due to GAIM core-dumping constantly)...replaced it with Kopete.

Last edited by unixfool; 05-13-2007 at 08:58 PM.
 
Old 05-13-2007, 10:11 PM   #26
rigelan
Member
 
Registered: Jul 2005
Location: Iowa
Distribution: Slackware
Posts: 172

Rep: Reputation: 19
Not that gaim didn't have it's issues with getting mozilla nss support first, and now having dependencies for gnutls. There was enough information around to get it put together and working.

But for the life of me, I can't get kopete to connect to any instant messenging server. It doesn't even complain, it just doesn't connect. So, so far I am still a fan of gaim/pidgin. It does work.
 
Old 05-13-2007, 10:56 PM   #27
WOP1337
Member
 
Registered: Jul 2006
Location: Tustin, CA
Distribution: Slackware
Posts: 40

Rep: Reputation: 15
as soon as I read what the Gaim/Pidgen developers said about Slackware, I removed all installations of Gaim I used. I can't just support a project with developers saying that about my distro of choice. :P

Kopete is a better program anyway.
 
Old 05-14-2007, 12:16 AM   #28
dive
Senior Member
 
Registered: Aug 2003
Location: UK
Distribution: Slackware
Posts: 3,211

Rep: Reputation: 293Reputation: 293Reputation: 293
I would use kopete but the horizontal scroll bars look awful when a contact has a long nick or writes a long line of text. But if anyone know hows to fix that I would use it.
 
Old 05-14-2007, 12:22 AM   #29
H_TeXMeX_H
Guru
 
Registered: Oct 2005
Location: $RANDOM
Distribution: slackware64
Posts: 12,928
Blog Entries: 2

Rep: Reputation: 1269Reputation: 1269Reputation: 1269Reputation: 1269Reputation: 1269Reputation: 1269Reputation: 1269Reputation: 1269Reputation: 1269
There are many many IM clients available:
http://freshmeat.net/search/?q=insta...&Go.x=0&Go.y=0

Not sure how good most are ... I guess you gotta go try some.

Last edited by H_TeXMeX_H; 05-14-2007 at 12:23 AM.
 
Old 05-14-2007, 12:27 AM   #30
Alien Bob
Slackware Contributor
 
Registered: Sep 2005
Location: Eindhoven, The Netherlands
Distribution: Slackware
Posts: 5,333

Rep: Reputation: Disabled
There is now an unsupported pidgin package for Slackware 11.0 (and -current as well, if you change 'stable' to 'current in the URL') at http://slackware.osuosl.org/unsupported/pidgin/stable/ . Don't know if this is mirrored to other servers as well but at least OSUOSL has it.

Both mozilla-nss-3.11.4-i486-1_slack11.0.tgz and pidgin-2.0.0-i486-1_slack11.0.tgz need to be upgraded/installed (and don't forget to remove your gaim package first!)

Eric
 
  


Reply


Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is Off
HTML code is Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Pidgin 2.0.0 rigelan Slackware 7 05-07-2007 08:03 PM
Problems compiling the new Pidgin - pango errors R00T.OSIRIS Linux - Software 1 05-05-2007 05:39 AM
LXer: Pidgin (aka Gaim) 2.0 finally arrives LXer Syndicated Linux News 0 05-05-2007 05:31 AM
LXer: AOL dispute forces GAIM to become "Pidgin" LXer Syndicated Linux News 0 04-10-2007 09:16 AM
Gaim is Now Known as Pidgin XavierP Linux - News 1 04-09-2007 07:32 AM


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 06:34 AM.

Main Menu
My LQ
Write for LQ
LinuxQuestions.org is looking for people interested in writing Editorials, Articles, Reviews, and more. If you'd like to contribute content, let us know.
Main Menu
Syndicate
RSS1  Latest Threads
RSS1  LQ News
Twitter: @linuxquestions
identi.ca: @linuxquestions
Facebook: linuxquestions Google+: linuxquestions
Open Source Consulting | Domain Registration