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Despite some 80 years of advancement no automatic transmission can deliver the flexibility, efficiency, control, and power of a good stick shift. Oh wait! This thread isn't for automobile driver enthusiasts?
Despite some 80 years of advancement no automatic transmission can deliver the flexibility, efficiency, control, and power of a good stick shift. Oh wait! This thread isn't for automobile driver enthusiasts?
It fits very well Enorbet. You can't really learn without hands on application of IT... and I too enjoy the power, flexibility, and control of a stick shift automobile.
And why exactly do we care about the opinions of some inept random on the internet?
That depends on what you want.
If all you want to do is use Slackware at home, and you can look after your own needs, then public opinion doesn't matter.
If you want more people to join the Slackware community and contribute to the support pool, then public opinion matters.
If you want to be able to use Slackware in a business setting where someone other than yourself chooses the platform, then public opinion matters.
If you want upstream developers to refrain from introducing a systemd dependency to their package so they don't lose their Slackware (and Gentoo and Android) users, then public opinion matters.
That "random inept on the internet" has words and an audience, and his words shape that audience's thinking, which determine that audience's behavior. If you in no way whatsoever care about that audience's behavior, then you have no need to care about his words.
I have my fight, but I do not ask you to make it yours. To each their own.
If you want upstream developers to refrain from introducing a systemd dependency to their package so they don't lose their Slackware (and Gentoo and Android) users, then public opinion matters.
If you want upstream developers to refrain from introducing a systemd dependency to their package so they don't lose their Slackware (and Gentoo and Android) users, then public opinion matters.
Sincerely, losing android would not be as bad as their development tools are.
Android studio is a big crap full of bugs, their APIs, their (proprietary) java implementation which does not allow to test code without the need of an emulator.. That's pitiful to have used java this way. And I will not talk about Gradle.
All of this is simply pure s**t. However, since all of that come from Google, most of users thinks that's cool, but that's simply not, this is purely a trap.
That random inept on the internet" has words and an audience, and his words shape that audience's thinking, which determine that audience's behavior. If you in no way whatsoever care about that audience's behavior, then you have no need to care about his words.
I have my fight, but I do not ask you to make it yours. To each their own.
Indeed.
However, I believe the whole fight against systemd, and others of its infectious sort is wholly pointless. Because it is unwinnable.
As Linux becomes more widely accepted by the "common" person, more people will start investing in it. As with anything else, the ones with money to spend will be dictating the direction the operating system will take. Do you not think this is already happening? I understand that some people only use and develop for this operating system because they are paid to do so. I truly care nothing about their situation.
As much as I love Slackware, if I am forced to, I will happily move to some flavour of BSD, if Mr. Volkerding will not. Hey, didn't a Linus Torvalds decide to start this little kernel project for this exact reason?
...However, I believe the whole fight against windows, and others of its infectious sort is wholly pointless. Because it is unwinnable....
Changed one word, and the argument is the same. You appear to be using a non-MS and non-Apple operating system - do really think you're backing the unwinnable with Slackware?
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Originally Posted by Fat_Elvis
...As Linux becomes more widely accepted by the "common" person, more people will start investing in it. As with anything else, the ones with money to spend will be dictating the direction the operating system will take. Do you not think this is already happening?...
Yes, just like it is with people with money dictating the use of MS/Apple products - is that affecting your choice of operating system?
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Originally Posted by Fat_Elvis
...I understand that some people only use and develop for this operating system because they are paid to do so...
Part of their job description; helps them put food on the table. I had to use MS and Apple products in previous jobs - didn't like it much, but "liking" wasn't a criterion.
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Originally Posted by Fat_Elvis
...As much as I love Slackware, if I am forced to, I will happily move to some flavour of BSD...
Voting with your wallet/feet really does work well in the long term. I did it to escape MS and then again to escape the init system which has been named too many times. As time has gone by I can see more options, not fewer.
When I learned to drive a car, I've been tought to. Even when I started using several coffee maker. I I'm probably not rid of it, an other machine, especially if it's complex will throw me back to rtfm.
I can't understand why people expect to use such complex machines as computer are without learning anyhow.
I started with slackware more than 10 years ago and was very happy to have it install process very well documented : When I restarted with (modern) computers in early 90's, the lack of real docs made me do a few terrible mistakes.
The slackware way is, for me, the good way to do it.
Changed one word, and the argument is the same. You appear to be using a non-MS and non-Apple operating system - do really think you're backing the unwinnable with Slackware?
Yes, just like it is with people with money dictating the use of MS/Apple products - is that affecting your choice of operating system?
Part of their job description; helps them put food on the table. I had to use MS and Apple products in previous jobs - didn't like it much, but "liking" wasn't a criterion.
Voting with your wallet/feet really does work well in the long term. I did it to escape MS and then again to escape the init system which has been named too many times. As time has gone by I can see more options, not fewer.
I do believe we are actually agreeing on all points here.
Only difference being that I am not even attempting to fight the big corporate world and whatever new idiocy they may come up with. And yes, I wholly believe Slackware, if it stays this course, will never be the most popular Linux distribution. I am completely fine with this. I have chosen to use Slackware for its quality. Popularity had absolutely nothing to do with it.
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