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I'm very interesting in using Elementry OS as my daily driver on my desktop mounted behemoth of a laptop.
I know I have to prepare my expectations for using linux. I know there is a lot more self trouble shooting than compared to windows when something goes awry. However, after reading this review of elementry OS I don't understand what a so-called "poweruser" of linux performs on his or her laptop.
I've watched a couple hours of online courses of familiarizing myself with basic terminal command lines. Just the basics -- synaptic, installing .deb files and moving and relocating files via the command line.
When I think of a poweruser I'm thinking of someone who does their job on their computer. For example has 20+ tabs open on chrome because they are researching for a an article they are writing, preparing to make a youtube video, looking up reference images for drawing digital art, ect.
Then on top of just general web browsing they are using photoshop, or video editing, while listing to music or watching youtube videos.
However, according to the review general web browsing and media consumption doesn't constitute a linux poweruser. So, then what does? Using the command line, I understand it is much faster to move around files but even myself as a content creator I only spend maybe 5 minutes a day juggling files from place to place on my physical computer.
So, I ask the question, for those who are content creators, any distro would fit them all the same provided they the program and software required to their job. GIMP comes to mind for those photography and digital art enthusiasts.
A power user or experienced user is a computer user who uses advanced features of computer hardware,[1][2][3] operating systems,[4] programs,[5][6] or web sites[7][8] which are not used by the average user. A power user may not have extensive technical knowledge of the systems they use[9] and is not necessarily capable of computer programming and system administration, but is rather characterised by the competence to make the broadest or most general use of computer programs or systems. In enterprise software systems, "Power User" may be a formal role given to an individual who is not a programmer, but who is a specialist in business software. Often these are people who retain their normal user job role, but also function in testing, training, and first-tier support of the enterprise software.[10][11] Users may erroneously label themselves as power users when they are less than fully competent.[12]
Some software applications are often regarded as being particularly suited for power users, and may even be designed as such, due to their inclusion of sophisticated function and feature sets not typically found in other comparable applications. Examples include VLC media player, a multimedia framework/player/server, which includes a complex, feature-rich, and highly customisable interface (and multiple interfaces moreover, beyond simple skinning) with numerous built-in capabilities not typically deemed useful or even understandable to users in the context of other media player suites such as Windows Media Player or iTunes[13][14]
Super user on a Gnu/Linux based system are required to admin or maintain that system. A normal user can and sometimes assumes the rights as root via 'sudo' or 'su -' to do system level functions or maintenance. That normal user had better know what they are doing or damage can be done to the system by becoming root. Very dangerous for the un-informed or newbie to assume root rights. One reason the hold your hand distro are so popular.
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"Administrator privileges" redirects here. For the Wikipedia policy on administrator privileges, see WP:ADMIN.
In computing, the superuser is a special user account used for system administration. Depending on the operating system (OS), the actual name of this account might be root, administrator, admin or supervisor. In some cases, the actual name of the account is not the determining factor; on Unix-like systems, for example, the user with a user identifier (UID) of zero is the superuser, regardless of the name of that account;[1] and in systems which implement a role based security model, any user with the role of superuser (or its synonyms) can carry out all actions of the superuser account).
The principle of least privilege recommends that most users and applications run under an ordinary account to perform their work, as a superuser account is capable of making unrestricted, potentially adverse, system-wide changes.
I never know what "power user" is supposed to mean. Two definitions from the Urban Dictionary:
1. A person who is familiar with the advanced, uncommon functions of a system.
2. What business people who don't actually know anything about computers call themselves when they can make spreadsheets in Excel.
The other day I had a WP document, 2 spreadsheets, 3 websites, and a 75 MB PDF in use: does that count? Or that I've written some of my software and all 3 keyboard drivers?
The article/review you linked to does not contain the word "poweruser" so I'm a bit confused by your question.
Sorry, it never specifically states poweruser but here are a couple quotes that confused me
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The main problem I find with it is that the simplicity gets in the way of my workflow. Users who do more than open a Web browser to surf the Internet or use a word processor to handle correspondence will find Freya too limiting...The user interface presents a simplified approach to launching applications. Newcomers to Linux might like this concept, as might users who stepped too quickly into an advanced desktop such as KDE or Cinnamon.
More seasoned Linux users are likely to find the Pantheon desktop in Freya too confining and frustratingly simple. The user settings offer few choices for the bland desktop environment.
I just don't understand what this OS is lacking compared to the competition. I'm a linux noob.
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one thing you have to understand about gnu/linux, if you come from a different OS, is that there are so many permutations of it.
you simply have to try some out.
imho, the biggest problem is seperating the chaff from the wheat.
that is why i recommend sticking to one of the major players.
If it's any comfort to you, I don't understand the quote either. But then I've never used Elementary OS.
Most people recognise two kinds of desktop:
1) The big all-singing-all-dancing ones like gnome, kde and cinnamon
2) Simple window managers like fluxbox and icewm.
The former need a big computer to run on with a fast processor and a good modern graphics card. They also have all sorts of bells and whistles which most users never get to master. The advantages are that they let you do things easily and have loads of eye-candy. The smaller desktops are sleek and fast, and run well on old hardware, but you have to do more for yourself. For example, you usually won't have a trashcan, and you may not have any desktop icons at all, just a menu. You may need to configure the thing by hand-editing a configuration file.
Whether that make you a "power-user" is a matter of opinion.
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I tend to think that people who complain about desktop environments "dumbing things down" tend to mean one of two things:
1) The DE is too restrictive in what it allows the user to do -- for example in Unity (Ubuntu's default DE) there's very little about the appearance and layout that you can change.
2) The DE is either lacking in tools for changing system settings or they're in some way lacking.
The first is solved by installing another desktop environment or using a window manager and creating one's own DE.
The second is resolved by modifying things on the command line -- which for better or worse is usually the best way to go anyhow. In many cases this could also be true of Windows, I suppose.
To me "power user" is a Windows term for somebody who knows how to troubleshoot issues and tweak things like the registry to make things work better. It is one of those terms though tat if somebody calls themselves a power user they're probably not one (meant slightly tongue-in-cheek as myself and colleagues have been known to at least imply that we are power users though, in my defence, I was a Windows admin for a while and have worked a little in tech support for Windows also.).
How does anyone know how to troubleshoot problems in Windows? The internals are almost completely undocumented and I've never met anyone who understands the registry. People who use registry hacks nearly always get them from magazines or websites and have to just follow them blindly or risk making their system unbootable.
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How does anyone know how to troubleshoot problems in Windows? The internals are almost completely undocumented and I've never met anyone who understands the registry. People who use registry hacks nearly always get them from magazines or websites and have to just follow them blindly or risk making their system unbootable.
One can usually track issues down to, say, a particular document or a particular application, for example, and take it from there. The answer is usually something like re-create the document or reinstall the application but not always as files can be edited and application settings changed. Remember that to most Linux users applications are just binaries too and the same troubleshooting applies. Same goes for determining a hardware versus a software error.
As to the registry, it's true that most edits are found in magazines and the like but not true that people don't understand them. Most registry changes make perfect sense and a read through the registry even leads to discovering some things which can be changed. The only people who cause issues by editing the registry are those who change settings they don't understand and that is equally true of people editing Linux configuration files.
On the whole Linux does lead itself to troubleshooting more, as long as one knows that one is doing, but for day-to-day issues as a user who knows how to troubleshoot they're not as different as you might think.
If it's any comfort to you, I don't understand the quote either. But then I've never used Elementary OS.
i think it's just one of those guys dreaming of that out-of-the-box perfect desktop environment, and then write articles about how it doesn't fulfil their personal needs.
i mean hell, who writes sentences like this:
"It's a hybrid, inspired by Apple's OS X but based on Debian Ubuntu."
...
that said, i've been following a few articles here on LQ that led me to believe that the beauty of elementary os is really just on the surface.
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To me "power user" is (...) one of those terms though tat if somebody calls themselves a power user they're probably not one.
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How does anyone know how to troubleshoot problems in Windows?
1) The big all-singing-all-dancing ones like gnome, kde and cinnamon
2) Simple window managers like fluxbox and icewm.
The former need a big computer to run on with a fast processor and a good modern graphics card. ... The smaller desktops are sleek and fast, and run well on old hardware, but you have to do more for yourself.
You can get a happy medium. If you want functionality and flexibility, but without the overhead of eye-candy, the best bets are XFCE and Mate. An XFCE developer once said their goal was for it to do the job without being in your face or getting under your feet.
It really depends on what you need: the sort of data swapping between applications I mentioned in a previous post would not be easy in Unity or Gnome. On the other hand, although I like Icewm (the first GUI I ever encountered) it won't enable me to have different keyboard drivers in different programs at the same time.
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You can get a happy medium. If you want functionality and flexibility, but without the overhead of eye-candy, the best bets are XFCE and Mate. An XFCE developer once said their goal was for it to do the job without being in your face or getting under your feet.
I agree -- as a long-time XFCE user it does most things that the bigger desktops do, allows a lot of customisation, and just lets one get on with things. There are also "fancy" things like compositing, auto-mount and the like.
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