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Old 07-14-2012, 12:11 AM   #76
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my bad i meant for myself i accidently posted to your reply.
 
Old 07-14-2012, 03:02 AM   #77
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in that case stop trolling behind me... because going after an individual in whatever he writes to say something negative about that individual is trolling.
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Going behind me calling me silly and sending me videos on "bull sex" is not trolling?
I never said anything disparaging about you. I used the word silly to describe an idea (that somebody else expressed):

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"To make any statements regarding what Slackware is or isn't or what it's guiding principles are without the obvious understanding that Slackware is what Pat thinks it should be regardless of the influence of corporate behemoths or maximum profit is silly."
It was in response to repeated declarations that slackware was for certain people, that it represented certain things, that it was a distro of type x,y,z for the purposes of a,b,c by a member in multiple threads over a span of probably weeks as well as the expressed notion that what RedHat does or how much money it makes or it's market share have anything at all to do with Slackware. To prove that it wasn't meant as personal attack against you, I will point out that you weren't that member. You just took it that way.

The second time I used the word silly it's objects were "2 threads" and "implications"
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"I do find 2 threads in the Slackware forum discussing the seeming dominance of Red Hat and implications made by some in this thread that Red Hat's success is somehow a mark against Slackware to be silly."
"Some people" is not code for Mercury305.

The word ridiculous was used to describe the notion that the entity that produces Slackware (Pat) was lazy because it doesn't do all the things that the entity that produces Redhat does. Also I didn't send you videos on bullsex. I did not send you a video of bovine mating. I posted a link in a forum to a clip from the movie "Colors" to say that I understood the metaphor you were expressing because both the link and your metaphor were about older, experienced people and exertion vs. reward. They are actually the same metaphor. The point I was making was that though I understood it I didn't think your analogy was applicable, because it missed the fact that I've already pointed out that there is a difference between a distribution and the entity that produces it. All of this was in response to what I see as a few outspoken newcomers to the forum who seem to have some basic misconceptions regarding the FOSS/Linux ecosystem.

What has happened here is that you became upset when you felt I was attacking you personally which I wasn't. When I expressed the idea that I felt you needed to be more concise in your language you then told me to shut up. That was the rule violation because it was disrespectful to an individual (not allowed), rather than expressing an opinion on the validity of an idea (allowed). When the moderator then did his job and reminded you firmly, but respectfully of the rules you then tried to justify your behavior by repeating again your belief that you were attacked personally. You then continued on, misrepresenting what people had said (which is what you had accused me of initialy) and arguing when they tried to explain to you why you had been warned (which is what you had accused me of)
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Good... then shutup and keep slackin and stop arguing for argument's sake. And stop distorting and twisting my point of view by quoting me out of context.
I then left the conversation for days seeing that the thread has gone on and on in the same point with you now accusing a majority of the Slackware forum of bias, and threatening to leave the distribution because you felt it's forum members were unfair. In all actuality this is something that has been repeated since the dawn of internet forums which is why documents such as thisexist. When I can't even remember the last time I saw RTFM here. You then made the assertion that somehow this thread (which was never seeking objective technical help, but was instead a subjective airing of opinions in a public forum rather than, say a personal blog) was impeding people's ability to get technical answers
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Let me tell you: Simplicity is about not having to deal with all this b/s in the forums to get a simple answer. Simplicity is when I can call up redhat for quick and fast support. Simplicity is when I don't have to spend ours debating about simple questions about Slackware to get a simple answer and not get attacked personally.
What exactly was the question? You weren't seeking technical help, the very title says that: "Introduction to myself and thoughts of Slackware and its future" Your character was never questioned. On the other hand, mine, as well as others who were simply trying to help you understand why you had been warned has:
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Have you even read the offensive things he wrote to me in the beginning? So calling me "silly" and posting a video about "f***ing cows" is ok but telling him to "shutup" is not. I find this very biased.
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n that case stop trolling behind me... because going after an individual in whatever he writes to say something negative about that individual is trolling.
I would hate to see someone quit using Slackware for any reason other than it just wasn't the tool for their job. I am an advocate of Slackware though I don't think I'm a fanboy or fanatical as I've been accused of. I don't care one hoot whether you prefer RedHat or Debian or Ubuntu. I think the threads about Slackware vs OTHER might fit into that. I do have a lot of respect for Pat because he has chosen to stick to his principles rather than change Slackware to fit current trends. I was not offended at any point during any of this except to be told to shut up which implied your opinion was somehow more valuable than mine, and that was not personal offense but more of a principle. But at the end of the day I feel like the common saying is true "if everyone around you is a problem, can it really be them?"

I may have overstepped here, but after 5 days it seemed apporpriate to say something. I shall now go back to my corner.
 
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Old 07-14-2012, 03:04 AM   #78
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I never said anything disparaging about you. I used the word silly to describe an idea (that somebody else expressed):

It was in response to repeated declarations that slackware was for certain people, that it represented certain things, that it was a distro of type x,y,z for the purposes of a,b,c by a member in multiple threads over a span of probably weeks as well as the expressed notion that what RedHat does or how much money it makes or it's market share have anything at all to do with Slackware. To prove that it wasn't meant as personal attack against you, I will point out that you weren't that member. You just took it that way.

The second time I used the word silly it's objects were "2 threads" and "implications"
"Some people" is not code for Mercury305.

The word ridiculous was used to describe the notion that the entity that produces Slackware (Pat) was lazy because it doesn't do all the things that the entity that produces Redhat does. Also I didn't send you videos on bullsex. I did not send you a video of bovine mating. I posted a link in a forum to a clip from the movie "Colors" to say that I understood the metaphor you were expressing because both the link and your metaphor were about older, experienced people and exertion vs. reward. They are actually the same metaphor. The point I was making was that though I understood it I didn't think your analogy was applicable, because it missed the fact that I've already pointed out that there is a difference between a distribution and the entity that produces it. All of this was in response to what I see as a few outspoken newcomers to the forum who seem to have some basic misconceptions regarding the FOSS/Linux ecosystem.

What has happened here is that you became upset when you felt I was attacking you personally which I wasn't. When I expressed the idea that I felt you needed to be more concise in your language you then told me to shut up. That was the rule violation because it was disrespectful to an individual (not allowed), rather than expressing an opinion on the validity of an idea (allowed). When the moderator then did his job and reminded you firmly, but respectfully of the rules you then tried to justify your behavior by repeating again your belief that you were attacked personally. You then continued on, misrepresenting what people had said (which is what you had accused me of initialy) and arguing when they tried to explain to you why you had been warned (which is what you had accused me of)
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Good... then shutup and keep slackin and stop arguing for argument's sake. And stop distorting and twisting my point of view by quoting me out of context.
I then left the conversation for days seeing that the thread has gone on and on in the same point with you now accusing a majority of the Slackware forum of bias, and threatening to leave the distribution because you felt it's forum members were unfair. In all actuality this is something that has been repeated since the dawn of internet forums which is why documents such as thisexist. When I can't even remember the last time I saw RTFM here. You then made the assertion that somehow this thread (which was never seeking objective technical help, but was instead a subjective airing of opinions in a public forum rather than, say a personal blog) was impeding people's ability to get technical answers What exactly was the question? You weren't seeking technical help, the very title says that: "Introduction to myself and thoughts of Slackware and its future" Your character was never questioned. On the other hand, mine, as well as others who were simply trying to help you understand why you had been warned has:

I would hate to see someone quit using Slackware for any reason other than it just wasn't the tool for their job. I am an advocate of Slackware though I don't think I'm a fanboy or fanatical as I've been accused of. I don't care one hoot whether you prefer RedHat or Debian or Ubuntu. I think the threads about Slackware vs OTHER might fit into that. I do have a lot of respect for Pat because he has chosen to stick to his principles rather than change Slackware to fit current trends. I was not offended at any point during any of this except to be told to shut up which implied your opinion was somehow more valuable than mine, and that was not personal offense but more of a principle. But at the end of the day I feel like the common saying is true "if everyone around you is a problem, can it really be them?"

I may have overstepped here, but after 5 days it seemed apporpriate to say something. I shall now go back to my corner.
dude, just drop it... let it go. i am not even gonna read through that stuff you wrote. stop causing trouble on this forum. let the thread die and stop trolling.
 
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