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Old 07-11-2012, 10:29 AM   #46
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Really??? This is the Super Nintendo vs. Sega Genesis fanaticism of my childhood all over again and frankly I'm shocked. Its an operating system and its a good one at that but it hardly (or any other OS for that matter) justifies this kind of behavior.

Do any of you really think that Slackware could even exist at all without its sibling Linux distributions all contributing together. I can almost understand a Linux vs. Mac or Linux vs. Windows debates getting heated and bitter but I absolutely cannot understand a Linux vs. Linux debate.
It doesn't matter what you, me or anyone else think about it. I don't want to defend that, but as long as there are brands there will be fanboys fighting about which is the better brand, regardless if it is Linux, cars, food, politics, religion, whatever. Seems to be part of the human nature to have something to prefer and fight over it. So your options are either to take parts in the fights or ignore them.

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Old 07-11-2012, 10:34 AM   #47
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Try to find a Linux community without.
Tobi so you are saying that: Yea Slackware community has problems. But since every other Linux distro community has problems it is acceptable?

The end result is I personally think redhat community if I go and compare questions with them will not attack me the same way in a fanatic way... perhaps Fedora will but not Redhat... This is just my personal biased opinion.

Why? First of all when you need Redhat support you don't need a "Community" you just call them up and ask for help. For example I can just call up Redhat and ask them the difference between slack and Redhat and the customer help desk will not call me "Silly" and send me a video clip of "cow f***ing" because of my question. Most likely they will be like sorry we don't have any info on Slackware we are Redhat. But if a customer service rep calls me silly or sends me a video clip on cow/bull sex... you know he is going to get fired for that.

So yes, even though I am called "silly" and I am sent unrelated videos on cow sex. I will continue using Slackware. I mean common people should be able to ask questions without being flamed for it. Its just not a good thing for Slackware's own sake.
 
Old 07-11-2012, 10:37 AM   #48
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Let's all calm down, and take a deep breath...I'll tell you all when to let it out...
Maybe this time tomorrow.
 
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Old 07-11-2012, 10:40 AM   #49
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I find this very biased.
As one of the longest-serving LQ moderators I take any accusation of bias very serious. Feel free to report any post. One of the other LQ moderators will be with you shortly. However you should not do so idly or in retaliation. Moderators do not take kindly to that.

I have asked you to play nice but it appears you do not clearly understand what that means. So let me educate you. Linuxquestions.org is not your average forum where you barge in, provoke members and then justify your actions by pointing at others. You are responsible for your own actions, nobody else is. Sometimes new LQ members need to acclimatize. That is OK by us. We are lenient and we will help you get along. So when I, as moderator, ask you to play nice you should not lash out but instead try to find out how you can improve your game.

Save face. Play nice. OK?
 
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Old 07-11-2012, 10:45 AM   #50
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As one of the longest-serving LQ moderators I take any accusation of bias very serious. Feel free to report any post. One of the other LQ moderators will be with you shortly. However you should not do so idly or in retaliation. Moderators do not take kindly to that.

I have asked you to play nice but it appears you do not clearly understand what that means. So let me educate you. Linuxquestions.org is not your average forum where you barge in, provoke members and then justify your actions by pointing at others. You are responsible for your own actions, nobody else is. Sometimes new LQ members need to acclimatize. That is OK by us. We are lenient and we will help you get along. So when I, as moderator, ask you to play nice you should not lash out but instead try to find out how you can improve your game.

Save face. Play nice. OK?
In all reality you are in a position of power which I can respect. But honestly I felt violated when attacked with being called "silly" and sent a video on "cow sex". And I did not find it right that I was accused of when I told him to "shutup and keep slacking instead of arguing with me" But this is LQ... I don't run this place. You guys do. So you are free to do what you like. You have the power to kick me out or censor me or whatever. I am powerless when it comes to that. But in all honesty my intentions was not a flame war but to simply compare Slackware to Redhat. Thats all it was.
 
Old 07-11-2012, 11:05 AM   #51
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Tobi so you are saying that: Yea Slackware community has problems. But since every other Linux distro community has problems it is acceptable?
No, I am saying: Every community on this planet (and paid supporters are not a community) has its own fanboys. There is nothing anyone can do about it. Ignore it if you don't like it. There is nothing more that you can do.

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But honestly I felt violated when attacked with being called "silly" and sent a video on "cow sex". And I did not find it right that I was accused of when I told him to "shutup and keep slacking instead of arguing with me"
Tip for the future: if you feel insulted by a post report that post to a moderator. It is their job to handle those situations. Alternatively try to sort that out with the member you feel offended by on a private basis (PM or email). Reacting with things like "shut up" will not help you and will bring reactions like you have seen.
 
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Old 07-11-2012, 11:07 AM   #52
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No, I am saying: Every community on this planet (and paid supporters are not a community) has its own fanboys. There is nothing anyone can do about it. Ignore it if you don't like it. There is nothing more that you can do.

Tip for the future: if you feel insulted by a post report that post to a moderator. It is their job to handle those situations. Alternatively try to sort that out with the member you feel offended by on a private basis (PM or email). Reacting with things like "shut up" will not help you and will bring reactions like you have seen.
well you live and you learn. I agree ignoring is the best way.
 
Old 07-11-2012, 11:43 AM   #53
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@Mercury305 - Nobody wants to censor you or kick you out. This is the Slackware forum and it is a broad church that has proven very capable of accommodating a diversity of opinion. The discussions can be very robust, but must be conducted within the LQ rules. You must remember that this is an open forum accessible by anybody. It is the task of the moderators to interpret the rules and apply sanctions if necessary. Please do not feel attacked by unSpawn, a long time and much respected member of LQ, who has already granted you latitude.

I have viewed the video that you have found offensive and agree that a better choice could have been made. However I view it as an allegorical point that the young and inexperienced charge in and take a single gain whereas the older and more experienced cautiously round up all the gains.

On occasion we all need to step back and reflect that the other person has a different opinion. Such differences of opinion are not settled by arguments between individuals, but rather by the consensus of opinion of all those are involved. It is much better to sway the consensus of opinion by conducting yourself with dignity and through use of reasoned argument.
 
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Old 07-11-2012, 12:27 PM   #54
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So what was the end result of all this debate? I still prefer Slack as my main linux distro. However, I realized that the Slack Community forum has some biased and fanatic members.
"So, because you are lukewarm, and neither hot nor cold, I will spit you out of my mouth." (Revelation 3:15-16)
 
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Old 07-11-2012, 06:48 PM   #55
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(Revelation 3:15-16)
Ah... A connoisseur ... Btw.. Hello Kiki!
 
Old 07-11-2012, 11:45 PM   #56
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Ah... A connoisseur ... Btw.. Hello Kiki!
Hello NoStressHQ. Nah, just some leftovers from my patchwork education in religious matters.
 
Old 07-13-2012, 10:33 AM   #57
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You know what this thread and a few others remind me of?

Sonny Crockett's opening line on Miami Vice in Sep.1984:
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5000 street corners in greater Miami and Gumby here’s got to pick ours
Now you guys go figure how old I am.

Dear Moderators,

Would it be possible to move discussions like:
  1. Slackware too Complex to use?
  2. "Difference between centos and slackware" and "also how to install scratch on centos"
  3. Introduction to myself and thoughts of Slackware and its future
  4. And the obligatory question "When is Slackware 15.4 going to be released?"
into a sub-forum?

I much prefer to read threads like "Boot Loader Problem on Slackware64 13.37 (UEFI & GPT disk)", where people like me can actually learn something from the answers given by people smarter than me.

Has nothing to do with censorship, but has everything to do with:
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can't see the forest for the trees
As in: Cannot perceive important things because of too much noise.

Thank You.
 
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Old 07-13-2012, 12:25 PM   #58
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Before I leave this forum for good and you all can throw a party about it. I want to say that I had good intentions when I first started this forum and setup my Slackware with some hardware problems. I had asked some simple questions on hardware that I recieved great help from. But as soon as I opened up my mount on the dreaded rEDHAT word and Slackware and had endless hostile replies. So how am I leaving this forum about Slackware... I am leaving it with a sense of regret to my experience of the slackware community. I like Patrick and his ideology and his distro but the users also make up the distro. You want to know about Simplicity and the KISS Principle?

Let me tell you: Simplicity is about not having to deal with all this b/s in the forums to get a simple answer. Simplicity is when I can call up redhat for quick and fast support. Simplicity is when I don't have to spend ours debating about simple questions about Slackware to get a simple answer and not get attacked personally. I am not speaking for everyone but there is some bad apples who are so in their own world that they don't even realize they are the ones that are wrong.

Now you know why so many ppl are moving to other distros. Community is important for any distro. The same attitude can be found in a FreeBSD forum... It just defeats the purpose of support when you need it. Never have I entered a forum with so much negative energy. Even Ubuntu is a lot more friendly with their answers without such animosity.

Now after I leave, you guys can either change your ways and make Slackware more successful or you can continue being who you are. Thats up to you... I just personally can't take it. If you don't like what I write the best thing to do is just IGNORE me instead of attacking my character. Now this message is not for everyone but its for a few bad apples that mess up the whole community that just stick out like a sore thumb. For everyone else, thank you and I appreciate your help.
 
Old 07-13-2012, 12:29 PM   #59
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you take things too personally.
cheer up, it's just a forum
 
Old 07-13-2012, 03:34 PM   #60
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Before I leave this forum for good and you all can throw a party about it. I want to say that I had good intentions when I first started this forum and setup my Slackware with some hardware problems. I had asked some simple questions on hardware that I recieved great help from. But as soon as I opened up my mount on the dreaded rEDHAT word and Slackware and had endless hostile replies. So how am I leaving this forum about Slackware... I am leaving it with a sense of regret to my experience of the slackware community. I like Patrick and his ideology and his distro but the users also make up the distro. You want to know about Simplicity and the KISS Principle?

Let me tell you: Simplicity is about not having to deal with all this b/s in the forums to get a simple answer. Simplicity is when I can call up redhat for quick and fast support. Simplicity is when I don't have to spend ours debating about simple questions about Slackware to get a simple answer and not get attacked personally. I am not speaking for everyone but there is some bad apples who are so in their own world that they don't even realize they are the ones that are wrong.

Now you know why so many ppl are moving to other distros. Community is important for any distro. The same attitude can be found in a FreeBSD forum... It just defeats the purpose of support when you need it. Never have I entered a forum with so much negative energy. Even Ubuntu is a lot more friendly with their answers without such animosity.

Now after I leave, you guys can either change your ways and make Slackware more successful or you can continue being who you are. Thats up to you... I just personally can't take it. If you don't like what I write the best thing to do is just IGNORE me instead of attacking my character. Now this message is not for everyone but its for a few bad apples that mess up the whole community that just stick out like a sore thumb. For everyone else, thank you and I appreciate your help.
If you really felt that some of the replies to you were out of line, and that they went beyond what would be appropriate for a forum, then you should have reported them. This has been pointed out to you before. Personal attacks, which you are specifically complaining about, are against the rules here, and if you saw (or were the victim of) them then you should have let the moderation team know about and stop them.

Also, I'm not accusing you of trolling when I say this, (really, I'm not), but you should be aware that "why are you guys being so hostile when all I'm trying to do is start discussions?" is something that is very often heard from trolls.

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