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Old 05-04-2013, 01:18 PM   #16
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Which of the following is "too much work"?

Type 7 linuxquestions.org posts over 2 weeks complaining how hard it is to run the latest Firefox; delete Mageia; download, install, and configure a different distro
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Click to download Firefox, double-click to extract tarball, double-click to lauch Firefox executable

Clearly we have very different definitions of "work"!

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Old 05-04-2013, 01:33 PM   #17
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Yes. My definition is manually installing software. Installing (most) a new distro = 6-10 clicks one time. Then (if it's debian based), apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade every week or 2. Boom, with apt pinning everything I want installed is installed (if Debian, Kubuntu no need for pinning since they have the release versions in the base repos). No manual installs ever (well, skype but that's EVERY distro so no choice there if I want to webcam with my wife).

If Arch based, Pacman -Syu and it's updated with all the latest versions, don't even need to worry about pinning or anything since it uses the latest versions. Arch even has a AUR package for Skype.

If Fedora (not that I'd ever use fedora) Yum update and it's all updated. Again, use the lastest versions so no manual installations beyond the aforementioned skype.

etc. etc. etc.
 
Old 05-04-2013, 02:30 PM   #18
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Old 05-08-2013, 06:41 AM   #19
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You could submit a package request that separates ESR from latest stable via Mageia's bugzilla system. I would just use beta though, works great.

Kind of off topic but as I mentioned betas is at 21 Aurora at 22, but Mozilla looks to have added yet another Firefox alpha release cycle called ionmonkey which is at 23. Anyone try it yet?

Bottom line is Firefox currently has so many release options, and Mageia has chosen to include 3 of which in their media. That's pretty good if you ask me. Also Mozilla is pushing the ESR line hard now and I have a feeling the channels may soon change.

Also as snowpine has mentioned, FF is doesn't even really have to be installed, if you want a version not included in MGA media, just download and run! That is to say no configuration scripts or compiling with gcc and the likes are involved.
 
Old 07-09-2013, 10:58 AM   #20
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Smile Firefox22 for Mageia 3

It's not hard to get firefox-22 for Mageia 3.
Add 1 of the latest PCLinuxOs repositories to your system or download the file form the repositories
Then urpmi Firefox.

It will download and install 2 files Firefox-22 and one other.
Then remove the repository.

This is what I did and Firefox-22 works fine.
 
Old 07-09-2013, 06:02 PM   #21
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Or just install Debian, add the experimental repository, and it auto-updates every time Firefox releases a new version. Since there are no repos that include a modern browser, I just dumped Mageia. Nice OS, but 90% of my usage is on the internet, so I want the most modern release browser. I don't mind adding repositories to do so (such as the experimental), but if it's not possible in an OS, then it's just easier to not use the OS.
 
Old 07-09-2013, 08:33 PM   #22
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Smile No need to switch distros.

90% of my usage is also on the internet. That's not a reason to dump a distro.
Beside it didn't ask what distro to switch to!
I'm still on Mageia and I using Firefox 22 and that much easier than switching.
 
Old 07-09-2013, 09:47 PM   #23
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Different strokes for different folks. If an OS doesn't have the software I want, it is a good reason not to use it to me.
 
Old 07-09-2013, 10:15 PM   #24
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Why is the answer to how do I fix a problem is switch to this or that distro?
Would you throw the baby out if it a cold? By your standard you would.

Please just answer the relevant question.
 
Old 07-09-2013, 10:33 PM   #25
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Because an OS isn't a baby.

If I bought a wrench to tighten bolts, and it would pound nails into wood pretty good, but didn't work on bolts, I'd throw it out. Most of the usage I want from it isn't there. Same thing. I use the internet 90% of the time on any OS. Mageia lacks a browser that I want to use. To me, what's the point of it? Sure, I can MANUALLY install a modern firefox, but then, I might as well use Windows that was preinstalled. So that's out the window. So, instead, use an OS that has the features I want. Chakra, Debian, Ubuntu, etc etc etc. It's not like I'm looking for some OBSCURE feature, a majority of the fairly modern OS'have this feature. I don't see a point in wasting my time using an OS where 90% of what I do, it doesn't have satisfactory tools to accomplish.
 
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The thing is I have Mageia 3 with the latest Firefox 22 installed which is a lot easier than switching the distro.
What if the one asking the question really likes Mageia than your reply of switching distro might just piss them off.
A few years ago I asked a question and someone said switch to their distro
I did try it. I only traded 1 problem for another and got pissed off. What a waste of time. I then made the switch back.

2 answers later I got the answer I was looking for.
A lot of wasted time people can cause when they can't answer the real question.
 
Old 07-10-2013, 09:58 AM   #27
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It's my thread, saying to switch distros isn't going to piss myself off. If it does someone else, oh well, it's my thread, if they're that thin skinned, they should probably not be on the internet.

And for me, it's simply easier to switch distros than to use a distro that doesn't have the MINIMUM software that I want. The biggest reason I left Windows was because of constantly having to manage every application manually. I was more concerned with that then with their horrible licensing, their flaky OS, etc. Why would I then want to run an OS that I would get to manage like Windows, manually installing and updating software, when that was the very thing I wanted to get AWAY from? Be kinda dumb of me, IMO.
 
Old 07-10-2013, 10:13 AM   #28
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Ok lets try this another way.

Can you say that they will use every program and features exact same way you do! I'll bet not.
Have you every asked a question and got the replay to switch to thier distro and made the switch to fix your problem?

What if he has already tried it and found their is some other feature that he reburies that that you don't use and it's not their or broken?
Then he back to asking how to fix that problem.

That the problem I ran into. They said switch to their distro and it didn't meet my requirements as the one I was already using. Yes I had a problem
but it was a very simple fix! The same as upgrading Mageia 3 to Firefox 22
 
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Why would I then want to run an OS that I would get to manage like Windows, manually installing and updating software, when that was the very thing I wanted to get AWAY from? Be kinda dumb of me, IMO.
I'll assume that was a rhetorical question since, as you point out, this is YOUR thread and you can say anything you want.
 
Old 07-10-2013, 10:28 AM   #30
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Ok lets try this another way.

Can you say that they will use every program and features exact same way you do! I'll bet not.
Have you every asked a question and got the replay to switch to thier distro and made the switch to fix your problem?

What if he has already tried it and found their is some other feature that he reburies that that you don't use and it's not their or broken?
Then he back to asking how to fix that problem.

That the problem I ran into. They said switch to their distro and it didn't meet my requirements as the one I was already using. Yes I had a problem
but it was a very simple fix! The same as upgrading Mageia 3 to Firefox 22
Again, I'm the OP. Suggesting to myself to switch distros means I'm auggesting switching to a distro I'm already intimately familiar with.

I'm not suggesting to anyone ELSE to switch. In fact, I've suggested Mageia to people before when asking what distro would work for them. While it doesn't work for me, if you don't mind having an outdated browser, it's not a bad OS. I just can't bring myself to use it with an outdated browser, or manage it like Windows with manual installations of software. That goes against the very reason I want to use linux. Same reason I don't use Slackware. I think it's a great OS, just it doesn't fit MY preferences. Lack of dependency resolution means I don't like managing it. Doesn't mean I don't suggest it for people who don't have that preference.
 
  


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