hey walrus121 check out the following:
Parental Control Software -> http://dansguardian.org/ (This is what I use)
Any awesome games UT2004, Army Ops, Super tux (To name a few and more coming)
A decent spreadsheet program Whats wrong with OpenOffice.org I use it with no prob
A disk defragmenter Not needed in any Linux file system (You really are a newbie)
Antivirus software -> http://www.sald.com/ But not needed for Linux
Dragon NaturallySpeaking, or bring back IBM ViaVoice for Linux -. Don't know Don't use

At $5k per seat, you'd think Autodesk would have long since ported AutoCAD over, but not yet. They need to get on the ball.

J

courtrrb,

Thanks for the info on DansGuardian. I think that they need to make their page more Google-friendly.

> Any awesome games UT2004, Army Ops, Super tux (To name a few and more coming)

I agree that those are awesome, but they don't compare to all of the tremendous games that are made by companies like EA, Atari, SquareSoft, Activision, and Nintendo. I'd like to see those games ported to Linux, other than using the buggy (and rather expensive) WineX.

> A decent spreadsheet program Whats wrong with OpenOffice.org I use it with no prob

The program does not include as many hard core mathematical features as Microsoft Excel. This is very necessary for those of us in science, mathematics, statistics, and engineering. Specific features that I recall off the top of my head that are lacking are:
-Curve fits
-Equations for curve fits
-Solvers
When I have to use those every day in lab, OpenOffice.org can't be my choice.

> A disk defragmenter Not needed in any Linux file system (You really are a newbie)

I'm not a newbie at all. This stupid forum thinks so because they won't let me tell them that I am not. I'm just a Newbie to this forum. I've been using GNU/Linux for 5 years, 4 years as a systems administrator. There is an experimental program called e2defrag, but nobody has done anything with it in years.

It is needed. Your filesystem still becomes fragmented with time, ext2fs just minimizes the fragmentation.

http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Filesystem...-6.html#ss6.14

> Antivirus software -> http://www.sald.com/ But not needed for Linux

As I recall, there are about 80 viruses (including trojans and worms) written for Linux. I think that it is needed.

Peace,
William

walrus121

A disk defragmenter. All the experts say it isn't needed. Are you more of an expert than the experts?

Antivirus software >> Please show me where you get your facts and I'll show you mine. Their a a total of 5 virus for Linux with none in the wild.

Why does everyone always assume that I'm being arrogant? Is it because I cite things?

I just gave you a link to the the LDP about e2defrag, didn't you see it? There wouldn't be a defragmenter program at all if it wasn't necessary in your definition of not necessary. Any file system gets fragmented, it's just that the ext2fs attempts to minimize the fragmentation. Please recognize that I acknoledge that ext2fs minimizes fragmentation. However, I don't know where you get off saying that ext2fs produces NO fragmentation. It seems like you have a strong misconception about how good the ext2fs is. It's not THAT good that it eliminates fragmentation completely. A disk defragmenter is a difficult piece of software to write, that's why nobody has bothered to write a complete one. When there is less motivation to do so with such a good filesystem, then it makes it even less likely to get done. However, there is one. Somebody wouldn't write one if it was completely unnecessary. I would put worth some more quotes about ext2fs fragmenation, but I'm on a mess of drugs right now and I'm loosing my ability to coherently communicate with the outside world, so this wiil be the end of what I can give on ext2 until the end of the drugs.

Could you please provide me with citations from the volumes of experts saying that a disk defragmenter is completely and absolutely unnecessary?

In regards to the virus issue, I suggest going to this website:
<http://securityresponse.symantec.com...r/vinfodb.html>
If you click on the L link, they list 79 viruses (including worms and trojans) whose names begin with Linux. You'll aslo find 7 trojans for Linux listed under the T link. That already well exceeds your count and my estimate, and I think that there are a few other viruses listed under other letters. I'd like to know where you get your numbers from. I was once able to pull up a good search on there of all of the viruses that affected Linux, but they have too much garbage on their website. When they first started supporting scanning ELF files (but only over a network, not run on Linux itself), there was a piece of press that said that were about 60 viruses out at the time (which was in 2000, as I recall)

Although now, it seems, they finally do have antivirus software that runs on Linux, so I guess my wish was already fulfilled. I doubt that it is affordable, though, with the word "Enterprise" in the name.

<http://enterprisesecurity.symantec.c...10000623&EID=0>

Peace I say to you because I hope that i come back to you all in one piece.
William

>> Any awesome games UT2004, Army Ops, Super tux (To name a few and
>> more coming)
> I agree that those are awesome, but they don't compare to all of the
> tremendous games that are made by companies like EA, Atari, SquareSoft,
> Activision, and Nintendo. I'd like to see those games ported to Linux,
> other than using the buggy (and rather expensive) WineX.

UT20004 = Atari/Epic....and a tremendous game.

>> A disk defragmenter Not needed in any Linux file system (You really are a
>> newbie)

> I'm not a newbie at all. This stupid forum thinks so because they won't let
> me tell them that I am not. I'm just a Newbie to this forum. I've been
> using GNU/Linux for 5 years, 4 years as a systems administrator.
> There is an
> experimental program called e2defrag, but nobody has done anything with > it in years.

> It is needed. Your filesystem still becomes fragmented with time, ext2fs
> just minimizes the fragmentation.

I can't find any defragmenters for reiser - I'm not a filesystem expert but I think it's only a little ext2 problem.

>> Antivirus software -> http://www.sald.com/
>> But not needed for Linux

> As I recall, there are about 80 viruses (including trojans and worms) written
> for Linux. I think that it is needed.

The virusses aren't seen in the wild, mainly because they can't propagate through Windows computers. I use ClamAV for virusscanning, it also finds linux virusses and is completely free.
http://clamav-du.securesites.net/cgi...fields=display

You're right, it is only a little ext2fs problem. I should have beeen more clear on that. The fact that ext2fs minimizes fragmentation is a great advantage in using it. Microsoft's filesystems can't touch it in that respect.

I imagine that no defragmenter has been written for reiserfs also because defragmenters are so hard to write.

Thanks for the free antivirus info.

I'm sorry about the UT2004... I guess I was just assuming that it was one of those freeware games. I didn't realize that you were talking about Unreal Tournament. I'm not much of a gamer if you couldn't tell by now . Now that you told me that Atari distributes it, I knew where to look up the info. I went to their website, and only the DVD version is available for GNU/Linux, and it says that they don't support it. Great. I guess there is another point that needs to be made on this thread: If software companies are going to be porting programs to GNU/Linux, they should at least have the cajones to offer some support.

Atari doesn't give any support anyway, just use these forums or the UT2004 community forums!
IMO most problems are 3D driver issues.

iTunes and QuickTime

I can't get Super Tux to even compile.

Is this Army Ops really made by the U.S. Army? And they actually bothered to make it on multiple platforms? Cool.

Rpms for Supertux are supplied on the plf for Mandrake.

I do NOT wish to see Access in a Linux form, but the First Big Need
for small organizations is something that will let them do what Access
lets them do... NOT NECESSARILY with the front-end & db,etc. in one
app but something that doesn't require immense technical skills (i.e.
stuff I can do, I have tried learning gtk without success yet)

Second the SPSS nomination, it is an established academic standard.

I personally would not mind having a DOS - look spreadsheet and some
sort of database (I don't like GUIs) The database I have in mind is
the flatfile db FileExpress, for which I still possess a DOS license.

I want an IDE just like Visual C++ under Linux.

Nowadays I use Magic C++, a visual remote Unix/Linux C/C++ IDE. It looks just like Visual C++ and supprots for editing, compiling, debugging etc. But it works under Windows :-(

Anyone who want to ported this IDE to linux can have a look at here
http://www.magicunix.com

true indeed.... Visual Studio ported to Linux.


And I want some 3D games too