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Old 04-08-2007, 09:31 AM   #2851
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I'm sure some people would benefit.
that is sad but true, as the maintainer of a website it would be nice if I could see what my website looked like in ie since ie and firefox display my mediawiki differently (somthing to do with css)
 
Old 04-09-2007, 12:43 AM   #2852
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discussing IE for linux is silly to put it nicely.

MS and IE are total opposite of what linux is about.

IE is NOT open source and it never will be so porting it to linux will never happen.

Also most of the add-ons for IE, aren't free either.
 
Old 04-09-2007, 01:43 AM   #2853
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doesn't IE work in wine anyway? :P
 
Old 04-09-2007, 04:08 AM   #2854
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Wacom tablet management app

I dont know if someone already posted this but I personally would really appreciate an app to configure my graphire4 and intuos3 tablets on the fly. I found that tweeking xorg config file is a pain in the a$$ and also I have still to get my buttons, scroll wheel, or touch strips working. Any skilled programmers up to it?
 
Old 04-09-2007, 04:58 AM   #2855
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IE is NOT open source and it never will be so porting it to linux will never happen.
So no non open source programs ever get ported to Linux? You clearely haven't done much research there!
 
Old 04-09-2007, 05:09 AM   #2856
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Wait....

I just noticed how many people are requesting photoshop, dreamweaver, fireworks etc... WTF i'm a graphic designer/illustrator by trade and web dev by coincedence and I've been drawing all my life and my mantra is "an artist can make it work!". I know a sick web developer that does all of his graphics with XARA and GIMP. His work is awesome and he's a programmer! With all the options to choose from (my favorites;krita, gimp) we can "make it work". Viva la OSS revolution!

##EDIT##---->I started on Adobe and Macromedia apps. Particularly Adobe Illustrator and Flash. I'm still pretty new to linux and I am thoroughly impressed with the availability/customizability (is that a real word?) of the software. I still use windows ocassionally for 3DS Max and I'm hooked on Painter just b/c I'm used to the interface. However all you have to do is look and if you cant find it learn how to write it (it'll only make you better trust me ;-} ). Oh and BTW remember new things are still developing everday .

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Old 04-09-2007, 08:41 AM   #2857
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I just noticed how many people are requesting photoshop, dreamweaver, fireworks etc... WTF...
The problem here is that people sometimes use Windows for a long time (since when they start as novices, and don't know much about OS'es, software, etc, and some friend just tell them to install windows) and they get used to a specific set of utilities, which doesn't have EXACT analogs on linux. If someone is a photoshop professional, learning gimp can be like starting everything from scratch. (Of course, learning process will be faster if individual is expierenced ).
I personally expierencing this kind of problems right now. I'm used to work with MSVC 2005 (for several years), and (unfortunately) there is NO exact copy of MSVC with exactly same editing functionality. And, also, there is NO exact copy of BW Meter, etc.
As for BW Meter, I've made my own traffic accounting script (6kb big ) that implements first half of needed functionality. As for MSVC I've learned Emacs a bit (I've tried a Vim, too, but it isn't good for me) and I'm currently thinking about hacking into KDE source to add some missing shortcuts/actions. But it isn't a way to do things for everyone. When I switched to a Linux two(or was it 3?) months ago, I was hoping that In one or two weeks I'll be busy learning Qt/OpenGl (as a Replacement of VCL/MFC/DirectX ) and making my own 3D graphic-related applications. Instead of this, I had to write my own utilities (that have nothing to do with either Qt or OpenGL) to replace the ones I've been using in Windows. Can't say, if it is good or bad - I certainly learned a lot of useful information during the process (never had an opportunity to dive into HTTP protocol mechanics before ), but I'm still far from developing my Qt/OpenGL applications
 
Old 04-10-2007, 06:27 AM   #2858
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For sure, Macromedia Studio. It would be great also have Cubase.
 
Old 04-10-2007, 04:22 PM   #2859
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QT and Open GL

Erv what languages do you use and by MSVC do mean MS Visual C?? If so then what features are other IDEs lacking? Maybe someone knows of another that may suit your needs. I use Bloodshed and occasionally MS Visual Studio 2005.

Oh and BTW I think I have some ebooks on OpenGL if you're interested and keep us posted if you find some cool hax for KDE. I wanted to do the same but no spare time :-(

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Old 04-11-2007, 01:59 AM   #2860
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Erv what languages do you use
Mostly C++. I'm expierenced with Pascal/Delphi, can do some basic ASM programming, but for me C++ is most useful. (I like it's flexibility...)

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and by MSVC do mean MS Visual C??
Microsoft Visual Studio/C++ 2005.

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If so then what features are other IDEs lacking?
I've created a separatethread (about this) before. (http://www.linuxquestions.org/questi....php?p=2691435)

here is list of the most important features I need from IDE:
0) I must be able to do anything without using a mouse. (When I use only keyboard, I work much faster, using mouse slows me down a lot... Maybe good musical expierence with piano-like instruments have something to do with this )
1) The ability to hide every window and remove all toolbars, leaving me just with fullscreen code window and nothing else. (of course menu must be visible)
2) The IDE must be able to summon any windows by pressing a key combination (If possible - only one key combination, not a sequence of tem). And it must be able to hide any such window automatically or when I press "escape" key.
3) The IDE must support non fixed-width/monospace fonts. (Like courer, arial, and so on). Good C++ program has a lot in common with a human language and has better "readability" when it is drawn with variable-width font (or is it called "proportional"?)
4) Some basic syntax highlighting is needed. I just need to highlight a built-in (and only built-in) types, test, directives and comments, maybe it will be good if IDe will render unused text between #ifdef #endif in different color. But I certainly don't need highlighting of all user-defined types, like VisualAssist does this.
5) Function auto-completion and auto=list members features. I.e. If I typed "pr" and press Ctrl+Space IDE must popup a listbox (or hint) with list of possible identitfiers. If I've started typing a function call and just entered first bracket It should popup a hint with parameter list).
7) Visual debugging - watchlist, "step into" and "step over" functions.
8) The ability to jump to errors/parse compiler messages.

The following features aren't really necessary but would be nice to have:
9) Ide must have some kind of project manager. This isn't very necessary I just need a way to switch between source files located in different directories) As for makefiles, I think, i can write them manually, without helpers. (So ide just have to parse them)
10) It's nice to have a class-manager or function list.
11) It would be good to have several color schemes and ability to modify them.

Of all known IDEs only Borland Delphi/MS Visual Studio 2005/Borland Turbo Pascal 7.0() meet those terms. (Borland C++ Builder doesn't). Here is comparsion of IDEs regardless to platform. Sorry If I went offtopic...(This is only my personal opinion, nothing else):
Emacs and Vim are very good at working without mouse, but Vim isn't acceptible for managing multiplie files at once (it's basically created for working with a single file at once), and switching between editing modes is slow (although working in a certain mode can be sometimes faster).
Emacs, in other hand, although is an absolutely great editor, has some big troubles with non-monospace fonts(http://www.linuxquestions.org/questi...d.php?t=544164) and customization. I'm also not sure if it will be that great when working with big projects since switching between buffers is relatively slow, and it is very slow when source files for buffers are located in different directories. And certainly it isn't well suited when working as function list (I can use ebrowse, but it is a bit cumbersome).
Eclipse in combination with CDT offers a relatively good environment (which eats RAM like MSVC ), but offers no way to auto-hide all windows it shows. And I can't (at least, couldn't) switch between some windows without mouse, can't close them without mouse, etc. Sometimes those windows just take most of my screen space thus leaving me with something like 256x256 (and thats on 1024x768 resolution) square for a code editor.
KDevelop meets most of terms (it is "almost" MSVC clone when working in IDEA mode), but it can't work without mouse. It can't autohide windows. To hide a window, I must press a button (or a "tab" for that window). And I must press it with mouse. There is no actions for showing various windows, I can't dismiss windows with "escape", and in certain modes even "Bring editor to the top" key-combo doesn't work. I've noticed, that KDevelop has some troubles when working in "many top-level windows" mode. To use shortcut/keycombo, I must have main window in focus. And because of that, all shortcuts are quite ueseless in that mode.
As for anjuta and codeblocks - I've got some troubles when installing them. They require wxWidgets and on my system they just weren't able to find wxWidgets (when it's already installed) or something like this. Besides, wxWidgets in turn must use GTK to work with those edtiors, and GTK is unfriendly to a current system locale. (it doesn't support it). So all GTK-based applications have troubles with filenames when writing files to disk or reading them. By the way, I've tried anjuta on windows (when I was looking for an open-source MSVC replacement) and I wasn't impressed.
As for MSVC 2005 it's probably the best IDE made by Microsoft, but, unfortunately, it eats much RAM, it's slow when indexing projects (to make them work with IntelliSense), It's _really_ slow when using MSDN help index. It has buggy help system that isn't really accessible from outside of MSVC, it requires .NET to work (as well as Documentation Explorer and many other packages). And, alas, they've made some changes to CRT/DLL loading system. Most of those "improvements" (like adding non-standart strcpy_s functions) can be interpreted only like an attempt to make programmers Microsoft-dependant. And I must note, new app deployment system is awful. Although IDE itself is relatively good (but resource-consuming!) and can be customized to meet requirements listed abouve (I could post a screenshot to make clear what I mean, but there are no attachments, and the site where screenshot is posted right now is inaccessible)
MSVC 6.5 - a relatively good environment with no variable-width font support. Hiding windows is tricky. No autohiding.
MSVC 7.. MSVC 2003. - Offers half of functionality that MSVC2005 provides, compiler is better (no *.manifest files, can be used with old deployment system). IDE is a bit buggy and have some ugly GUI bug that can drive me nuts - in certain scenarios "compiler errors" window moves itself to a position where only 3 pixels of it's caption is visible, even if window isn't hidden. Window can't be moved from this position without using mouse.
As for Borland Delphi. The first thing - it isn't C++ environment. C++ builder is a bad joke (for example - can't switch between header/source without mouse, compiler/projects isn't flexible). So Delphi can be only used as an example of good environment, that provides most of facilities/features I need. I must note that I'm talking about relatively old versions - Delphi 6, for example. The newer version look like a failed attempt to clone MSVC. I must say, Delphi 6 has some troubles with non-monospace fonts....
I certainly can program without all this (just using emacs/gdb) but, when working this way, I'm often less productive and still have to learn much before I can actually program. (The feeling that you are starting everything from beginning again can be disappointing sometimes ). I can operate emacs now (it's good for reading man/info pages ), but there are still some troubles with gdb - I think I just didn't work enough with it...


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Oh and BTW I think I have some ebooks on OpenGL if you're interested
Well, thanks for the offer, but maybe later
(I have already downloaded "Red Book", GLSL/ARB/OpenGL 1.3/OpenGL 1.4/OpenGL 2.0 specifications as well as NVSDK. With Direct3D C++ programming expierence this should be enough for now...)

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and keep us posted if you find some cool hax for KDE. I wanted to do the same but no spare time :-(
Ok.

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Old 04-11-2007, 04:50 PM   #2861
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After a few weeks of using Linux, I found that I really didn't miss anything. After a few years, I only miss Linux apps!
 
Old 04-13-2007, 03:53 AM   #2862
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Originally Posted by Murkhadh
discussing IE for linux is silly to put it nicely.

MS and IE are total opposite of what linux is about.

IE is NOT open source and it never will be so porting it to linux will never happen.
If let say I say again IF , MS and IE had something happened to them and decided it to become open source, would you all wish to see it ported on Linux? Or would you like to see the security flaw had solved first before using IE even if it is open source?
 
Old 04-13-2007, 03:58 AM   #2863
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I also wish to see Windows Media Player to be ported so as to watch MOBTV (MediaCorp Online Broadband TV, The only Singapore Broadcasting Company. I Singaporean for your info.) and TVants (For watching online TV) they need Windows Media Player 9 or above ONLY!
For mobtv: http://www.mobtv.sg/
For TVants:http://cache.tvants.com/
 
Old 04-14-2007, 01:49 AM   #2864
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Talking

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If let say I say again IF , MS and IE had something happened to them and decided it to become open source, would you all wish to see it ported on Linux? Or would you like to see the security flaw had solved first before using IE even if it is open source?
Frankly, I wouldn't use IE, no matter what kind of magic was worked upon it, or it was made open source, or Bill Gates suddenly gave all his ill gotten gain away to starving kids in this country, and other countries around the world.

I just bought a new laptop today with Windoze vista. What's one of the first things I did? Glad you asked. I went to Mozilla.com and picked up Firefox, and officially made it my default browser. I don't like the defaults that come with the new "improved" IE. I mean! You have to tell it to give you the standard toolbars? Come on! How prissy can Microsoft get? I want to know I am using a machine. Until such time as computers use an intelligent vocal interface, ala Star Trek, I want to know I am using a machine, not some sort of play toy.

I really dig my new laptop. As soon as I have worn the "new" off of it, I will put some kind of Linux on it. For now, I want to get used to it and learn all the nifty things it has. It's nice to have an uber computer again. I haven't had an uber computer since I got my 486 DX2/66 at the time when that was bleeding edge.

Anyway, I don't think anyone here has any worries that Microsoft is one day going to give up it's profitable ways and join the open source revolution. Bill Gates probably hates penguins.

heheheehehehehe

Blessed be!
Pappy
 
Old 04-14-2007, 08:11 PM   #2865
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If let say I say again IF , MS and IE had something happened to them and decided it to become open source, would you all wish to see it ported on Linux?
If IE for some strange reason became OpenSource, i think that someone would have ported IE on Linux immediatly (ripping away about 50% of uselessness and fixing tons of bugs during the porting). And at the end it wouldn't be "IE" anymore, just something derived from it.
 
  


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