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Old 08-26-2005, 01:45 PM   #1
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How can i get parental control with no fee ?


How can i get parental control with no fee ?
I have known that DansGuardian is useful, but it requires URLBlacklist to complete itself ?
Can you help me? Thank for all ideas!
 
Old 08-26-2005, 02:29 PM   #2
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How about this Firefox extension?

https://addons.mozilla.org/extension...nfo.php?id=226

Though, honestly, you shouldn't prevent your kids from seeing stuff--just educate them. People, especially kids these days, can get around any restrictions you throw at them.
 
Old 08-26-2005, 08:41 PM   #3
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From what kind of danger are you trying to protect your kids?

Protect your computer first. There's a scheme of URL blacklistin' that uses /etc/hosts explained here: http://www.mvps.org/winhelp2002/hosts.htm
It's oriented to ads and billing sites

I haven't used it on Unix though, but the format is the same.

Now, I don't think it's ok to try to "protect" them from information, not even porn.
Kids are getting to "know" what the world and modern life is at an ever increasing early age, and it's the nature way that pushes everyone to adapt to this complex world (things are not what they used to be).

Education is the best option. Don't understimate your kids. If they find a wall, they would try to circunvent it. Censuring creates a psychic wall too between you and them.

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Old 08-26-2005, 10:07 PM   #4
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He might work for a school or something, guys. We don't know.

Anyway, whatever you do, implement content filters so that they cannot be bypassed using a simple proxy or search engine.
 
Old 08-26-2005, 10:27 PM   #5
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He might work for a school or something, guys. We don't know.
I've worked in schools, even working-class ones, and they would never be so cheap as to say, "Hey, we need some content filter, but we're willing to spend absolutely no money on it. Hey, you! Can you post on a Linux forum and see what's available for free?" If a school were truly that cheap, it would have a lot more to worry about than content filters... in fact, they probably wouldn't have computers at all.

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Old 08-27-2005, 10:24 AM   #6
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Hi, i agree with you , aysiu. And, i use computer at home, and i find parental control with simple reason : " i don't like any unwanted sites will be showed when i surf or search"
 
Old 08-27-2005, 10:46 AM   #7
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Hi, i agree with you , aysiu. And, i use computer at home, and i find parental control with simple reason : " i don't like any unwanted sites will be showed when i surf or search"
Have you given that Firefox extension a shot? Also, what do you mean by "unwanted sites show[n]"? Do websites accidentally appear on your web browser? I'm confused by this. Or do you get pop-ups or advertisements? I'm not sure what your exact problem is.
 
Old 08-27-2005, 12:20 PM   #8
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what do you mean by "unwanted sites show[n]"? Do websites accidentally appear on your web browser? I'm confused by this. Or do you get pop-ups or advertisements? I'm not sure what your exact problem is.
Example, when I search "linux OSX theme", Google could be sent me some links have nothing related with what i intend to find! Also, I'm living with my parents, i really don't want to make them misconceive me anyway.(Because my parents have ever believe me )

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Old 08-29-2005, 07:33 AM   #9
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Example, when I search "linux OSX theme", Google could be sent me some links have nothing related with what i intend to find! Also, I'm living with my parents, i really don't want to make them misconceive me anyway.(Because my parents have ever believe me )
Well, Google itself has SafeSearch filtering you can enable - click the google preferences link, I think its only enabled by default for the Images search.
 
Old 08-29-2005, 08:09 AM   #10
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I would:
1) Enable Safesearch on Google.
2) Use DansGuardian - True Web Content Filtering for All
3) Use Firefox along with BlockXXX Extension and the Adblock extension.
4) Use a HOSTS file Blocking Unwanted Parasites with a Hosts File

Other than setting Firefox/KDE up in Kiosk mode and only allowing set websites, the above is the best you can probably do without using a pay service.

You could try Welcome to My Linux ISP, it works with Linux . (Disclaimer, it is a pay service.)


You could also use Squid and only allow certain websites.

Linux.com | A child-safe SMTP whitelist with Postfix and MySQL

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Old 09-18-2005, 01:46 PM   #11
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Though, honestly, you shouldn't prevent your kids from seeing stuff--just educate them. People, especially kids these days, can get around any restrictions you throw at them.
That is a foolish statment! good greif!? It is BEST that it is not ever seen. Where are our morals!
 
Old 09-18-2005, 03:12 PM   #12
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That is a foolish statment! good greif!? It is BEST that it is not ever seen. Where are our morals!
Good grief! You can't prevent it by force. If you do that, people will find a way around it. If you educate your kids to make smart and informed choices, they will avoid it themselves if that's what's best.

It means you don't say, "You can't do this. I won't allow you to do this." It means you say, "I don't think you should do this because of X, Y, and Z. I myself don't do it because of X, Y, and Z. Do you have any questions about it?" And you model by example. I never had any reason to do drugs because my parents never did drugs. My parents didn't drink heavily or cheat on their taxes or shoplift, so I didn't do those things. It's not because they said, "We absolutely forbid you from doing drugs or cheating on your taxes." They educated me on choices and modeled those choices.

I guarantee if you forbid your kid from doing something and even try to put on some "parental controls" to ensure that she can't do it... she'll want to do it more and find a way to do it anyway.

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Old 09-18-2005, 04:07 PM   #13
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Good grief! You can't prevent it by force. If you do that, people will find a way around it. If you educate your kids to make smart and informed choices, they will avoid it themselves if that's what's best.

It means you don't say, "You can't do this. I won't allow you to do this." It means you say, "I don't think you should do this because of X, Y, and Z. I myself don't do it because of X, Y, and Z. Do you have any questions about it?" And you model by example. I never had any reason to do drugs because my parents never did drugs. My parents didn't drink heavily or cheat on their taxes or shoplift, so I didn't do those things. It's not because they said, "We absolutely forbid you from doing drugs or cheating on your taxes." They educated me on choices and modeled those choices.

I guarantee if you forbid your kid from doing something and even try to put on some "parental controls" to ensure that she can't do it... she'll want to do it more and find a way to do it anyway.
Yes you should educate your kids about it! but it is good to have a program that blocks it because sometimes IT DOES come up when you dont want it to. And Not all kids listen to their parents!!! They would look at it anyways and I do not want that garbage on my computer. Good greif! Your last statment also depends on the morals of your kids. And their morals can relfect their religion.
 
Old 09-18-2005, 04:12 PM   #14
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Yes you should educate your kids about it! but it is good to have a program that blocks it because sometimes IT DOES come up when you dont want it to. And Not all kids listen to their parents!!! They would look at it anyways and I do not want that garbage on my computer. Good greif! Your last statment also depends on the morals of your kids. And their morals can relfect their religion.
My point is that your trusting the machine to filter things out for your kids is an illusion of control. If they really want to see things you don't want them to see, they will find a way. I'm not saying they should want to see everything that's available on the internet, but no program can do a parent's job.

It's like a lot of parents I know who think their daughters are virginal angels when they're really manipulative and promiscuous. As long as they put on a good show for Mommy and Daddy, then the parents can turn a blind eye to what's really going on.

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Old 09-18-2005, 04:18 PM   #15
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My point is that your trusting the machine to filter things out for your kids is an illusion of control. If they really want to see things you don't want them to see, they will find a way. I'm not saying they should want to see everything that's available on the internet, but no program can do a parent's job.

It's like a lot of parents I know who think their daughters are virginal angels when they're really manipulative and promiscuous. As long as they put on a good show for Mommy and Daddy, then the parents can turn a blind eye to what's really going on.
What if they dont want to see them either. Not all kids are bad. Something can accidently come up. I know parents can think that their kids are clean and good when their not. I also know there is always a way around in computers (software, except for data loss). I vote for parental control. Alot who are against it are against it because they are the ones who actually want to see that evil garbadge on the internet.
 
  


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