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Old 11-25-2003, 02:26 PM   #31
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Originally posted by CloudBuilder
Until now I have seen a view of this kind off messages.
Stay where you are etc.
On the other hand I saw some cries's like - help , help, help...
...

Pissing off newbies is in my opinion very unproductive..........

CB
These are cries for help...but not for linux help (psych help maybe).

I could see if it was a poster who'd been on the board a while, asked a few questions he didn't get the answer to and got frustrated...THAT I could understand.

But why is it no one seems to notice that these messages are usually posted by someone who's never done anything here before (for some, its post number ONE...note the thread starter: post number 3) to me...that points to one thing...a TROLL..someone who wants to stir up something. Period. (Although note, this one's a bit different...instead of just posting windows is better...he's trying to piss off the "windows is better" trolls hehe)

Yes pissing off newbies IS unproductive...but you have to remember that its not likely this person IS a newbie or if he is, has ANY interest in being helped. Their number one interest is starting a long angry thread. Period. If it was anything else, they'd be 1) asking for help or 2) left the forum quietly or 3) be venting but with less inflamatory statements (ie: Windows is great, linux sucks and you guys all suck because you get angry when we say that....that sort of thing)

Also, even if the post ISN"T a troll (which is rare)...sometimes its from someone who expects the fine VOLUNTEERS of this board to just work for them instead of putting ANY kind of effort towards learning and they feel entitled to complain because the board didn't just rush over there and do everything for them...THOSE newbies I don't mind pissing off now and again.

Now the small subset of posts like this that are actually genuine...yeah, those I can understand...but I still don't think they are very productive.

Ahhh...felt good to vent.

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Old 11-25-2003, 05:26 PM   #32
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----bite----bite----bite----

I will agree that some things in Linux are more difficult but the bottom line is that once I get something working, it just keeps working, and through consistent updates (I use Debian so I get dpkg, the package management tool of the gods) my software keeps getting better. I use crossover office so I can run Dreamweaver, Photoshop, even OfficeXP. Through WineX I run all my favorite games and alot more are getting ported to Linux. What is there not to love. Oh yeah and the uptime on my box is over 400 days :] Because you can actually patch a running linux kernel...hehe. Oh and I forgot to mention that the games that are actually ported to Linux work much better than my friends who have the same game running on slightly better hardware.
 
Old 11-25-2003, 08:23 PM   #33
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Something useful! (for those in transition to linux/unix from other OS's)

http://www-106.ibm.com/developerwork...lnxw05RoadMap1

also read running linux. Will help to clarify elementary workings of linux. Search for unix tutorials in google to find many a good basic tutorial on unix/vi/emacs etc.

Then from there => depends on what you need to do with your machine.

Work hard, and have fun

I declare this thread offically closed.
 
Old 11-25-2003, 08:45 PM   #34
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It's kinda like laying out a doormat that reads "Go Away!" right after you've moved into a new neighborhood!
More like: come inside, but leave your
dirty shoes out there ... :)


Cheers,
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Old 11-25-2003, 08:58 PM   #35
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Quote:
Originally posted by CloudBuilder
The trouble is if you start with linux, you have to install it, there is a fair chance that something will not work, and you don't know the os so well that you can understand it all.
Be honest here ... if you didn't buy winDOHs
pre-installed but bought a machine, maybe even
fitted it to your specs, you have experienced
problems with MickySleuth$ products, too...

Quote:
Until now, I have not seen one good explanation of the parts of linux. It is a part of this and a part of that. You have to scrap the info together.
How about elaborating on what you understand to
be Linux?

Quote:
Pissing off newbies is in my opinion very unproductive..........
And pissing of the oldtimers one expects to be
helpful isn't a very clever move, either ;}



Cheers,
Tink
 
Old 11-25-2003, 09:09 PM   #36
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And there's nothing wrong

with some mud-wrestling every once
in a while ;) ... of course, we could re-
direct everyone to that infamouse poll
about making Linux easier for n00bs :D



Cheers,
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