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Old 11-21-2003, 02:29 PM   #16
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I ordered "Discovery 9.2" yesterday because it seemed by reading the advertisments that it would be a easy way to get started with Linux. I have used Mozilla, K-meleon and Opera Browsers and have succeeded in getting them up and running, but after reading this forum, I may not be up to Linux. Alot of people in the Opera community use Linux so I thought I would try it. But what I haven't found out yet is what advantage does one gain from Linux over Windows XP for instance. What's the big deal about Linux? I understand the "free" aspect of it but my version wasn't free, but that's OK. As long as I gain something from switching. For instance, with Opera I gained alot in speed in browsing over IE plus alot of other desirable Opera features. So, my question remains, what's the big deal about Linux? raysr
Old 11-21-2003, 02:41 PM   #17
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raysr: In all honesty, maybe, for you, the big deal about Linux isn't such a big deal at all. I certainly don't believe everyone must use it.

Linux is good for geeky programmers like me, especially me, a refugee from the Archimedes who just couldn't bear to use Windows. Like the archimedes, Linux is very good for the enthusiast, as everything is open for you to fiddle and hack around with. Windows isn't like that at all. Other people use Linux because they are opposed to Microsoft's abuses of its monopoly position; they are prepared to put up with the extra work that Linux requires in exchange for being able to eschew Windows. Many come to like the extra fiddling Linux requires, because the corollary of this is that Linux gives you finer control over your machine than Windows does.

There are a million and one other reasons why someone might choose Linux, but those two must be the most popular ones. But there's no certainty that it will be right for you.

Why not try it and see, nevertheless? You did pay money for your distro, after all. Shame to waste it without even trying.
Old 11-21-2003, 02:41 PM   #18
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Why not grab a KNOPPIX Linux Live CD and see for yourself?

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Old 11-21-2003, 02:56 PM   #19
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Well I do like to fiddle around with stuff. Always downloading a new utility etc. to check it out. Discovery sort of promised an ease of installation that was attractive. I understand the Microsoft issues but I divert my hatreds more to politics than corps(some would say one in the same). But in these forums it seems like Linux is quite complicated and unforgiving. I haven't received my copy of Linux yet as I ordered it through the mail. I tried to find out as much as I could ahead of ordering. Then it was sold out so I finally found a copy at Yahoo and bought it. Now that I understand the Linux attraction it helps me in my decision on whether to send it back or not. I don't suppose anyone in the forum is using the "Discovery " series yet. Would be interested in some feedback. raysr
Old 11-21-2003, 03:27 PM   #20
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From the standpoint of a newbie about to install Mandrake myself, think of it this way.

First, any online forum is going to be 98% populated with problems, making that product seem like a support nightmare. That's not much point to a zillion posts saying "Everything is great". If you're posting, it's becuase you have a question or problem.

Second, in the other reasons to at least try switching category. A bit of safety, and security. As a person who manages quite a few servers at work, I can't even begin to tell you how fed up I am with Uncle Bill over the patch storm of the last few months. I can't even remember how many Critical security patches have come out. Now, as a home user, they're less of a critical issue, unless you happen to land a nasty worm that MS released a patch for a few days ago and you haven't gotten around to it yet.

Like vasudevadas said, you've already paid for it, might as well give it a try. Especially with a setup like Mandrake that lets you keep your MS installation intact and accessible. Maybe you love it and never look back, or maybe it's just not right for you yet and you go back to XP. Either way, you'll never know unless you try.

As for if anyone around here is using the Discovery pack yet, most likely they are, but unless I'm mistaken, the various packs are only about including some extra toys to install, and make no changes to the core kernel, so most questions you have could be answered by anyone running any pack of Mandrake.
Old 11-21-2003, 03:50 PM   #21
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It is interesting the way the thread has evolved. I think I must have seen a 100 like this over the last year. I used Xenix a small version of Unix for 8 years to run my business in the '80's and later migrated to dos, win 3.1, 95 and 98. DOS was great it was stable and once basic commands had been mastered easy to use. The advent of the gui was when the trouble started. I have spent a few years supporting M$ products and they are a nightmare. I have seldom seen a clean install last more than 6 months without major intervention. Good if you are paid to sort the problem! On a personal level I had my normal 6 monthly crash a year ago and could not face another 3 day re-install of everthing I had and went to Linux. I had tried Linux about 2 years before and found it very rough. This time I tried 3 different distros and went for Debian. Every day I marvel at the power of this operating system. In the year I have never experienced a single lockup or ever had to re-install because the os has corrupted itself. I have screwed it up a few times playing with things but always have backups so 20 minutes later the system was back and functional. When things are installed they work. Can take a few days to find the right drivers and get the system running the way you want it but it is all a learning experience. My personal opinion is that most people will remain newbies and always be learning. Forums like this are great because if you browse them and look at the problems that people have and read about them you learn. I have a file that I keep. Everything I have done I make notes on and file it. I find that later I cannot remember how I went about something I can go back and read the notes.
Finally if you embark on this join your local user group (LUG). They have very clever people who can help on most topics and they will conduct regular meetings in the area you live in.
Old 11-21-2003, 05:01 PM   #22
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Until now I have seen a view of this kind off messages.
Stay where you are etc.
On the other hand I saw some cries's like - help , help, help...

There are two ways you can help people, You can serve it on a tablet, or you can point them out, there you can find it....

I think the last way is the best, let them read. Of course they are uncertain. Lots of them have no programming experience, that is not a necessity in Windows, so why doing as if they are folks from another planet?

The trouble is if you start with linux, you have to install it, there is a fair chance that something will not work, and you don't know the os so well that you can understand it all.

I am trying to learn it for about half a year. I have a bookshelf from a meter with all kinds off linux books, (that's a fraction of what I have about other soft and hardware), but that is not affordable for everyone.

Until now, I have not seen one good explanation of the parts of linux. It is a part of this and a part of that. You have to scrap the info together. Especially in the beginning it is confusing and overwhelming. ( Don't tell I am not prepared to learn - I'm doing that since my first computer in '79 - we coded in binary or hex because there was simply nothing).

But also the distro producers are learning. I found the Suse docs from 9 a lot better than 8. I learned a lot from RedHat, because there is a lot of documentation.

I know that a lot of people do a very good job in making all kinds of linux software. But does the fact that you know a lot of linux mean that it belongs to you exclusively?

The question is for what purpose do you have a computer, just for studying or to get some jobs done? RedHat as well as Suse claim, that their distro can be used as a a substitute for Windows. A lot of people want to try that out and the truth is Suse is almost at that point, and RedHat is not far behind, I can't say how the other distro's are, but seeing all the help calls, it seems that there is still a lot to do.

Pissing off newbies is in my opinion very unproductive..........

Old 11-21-2003, 05:23 PM   #23
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I cant beleive half of you people bit on this one. This stuff should be removed by moderators ASAP.
Old 11-21-2003, 05:31 PM   #24
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Linux is great, but there really needs to be an easier way to set things up and configure it. Linux cannot compete as an OS in the general public because of this. When the day comes, and its not such a hassle to set things up in Linux, it will eventually dethrone Microsuck.

Once Linux is all configured and set up, everything is fine, and its by far a more stable OS.
Old 11-21-2003, 07:09 PM   #25
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not so friendly => gain total control, get optimum performance, do complex tasks easily

lol, you must really be a pro

maybe i am still in the newbie stage

Old 11-21-2003, 07:39 PM   #26
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I cant beleive half of you people bit on this one. This stuff should be removed by moderators ASAP.
Yep...... as a general point, somebody needs to be more pro-active in terms of either policing /and/or closing threads which give too much expresison to unconstructive Windows FUD - several threads recently have clearly crossed the line........ the prime focus of this forum section is to help new Linux users with problems/questions - comparisons between Linux and Windows are of course going to be made from time to time - however - there are clearly people who go beyond this and either deliberately instigate or at least look for oppurtunities to highlight Desktop Linux's current weaknesses in such a way as to bolster Windows........ this is not appropriate here and causes other members to waste time and energy that could be used more usefully.........

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Old 11-21-2003, 08:27 PM   #27
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I can't believe you people.......

The reason for my post was to find out from people using the system exactly what the "hook" was. At the Linux web site there's no comparison dialog so why not ask users why they use it? Windows XP has so many patches on it it looks like an old inner tube. Security is an issue. The way Windows locks up and stores stuff is an issue. Eventually you encounter in any forum someone such as yourself who has his own ideas as to how and what questions should be asked. I did, thanks to the other posts, learn what I wanted to know. Thanks. raysr
Old 11-21-2003, 09:01 PM   #28
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I changed because I like to screw with stuff. I'm not very good at it but it hasn't stopped me. I'm not a very logical, mathmatical guy so it puts me at a disadvantage but I've somehow managed to set up a dual boot system, get my browser, a p2p rig and email running. It took me about two weeks but it was fun.
The main reason I switched was because I got tired of having a new toolbar, phonedialer or whatever just show up on my machine. One wrong click and you have some program installed and running complete with a desktop icon. I may be wrong but I hope I won't have that problem with liux.
Old 11-22-2003, 10:17 AM   #29
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Why am I happy that I took the time to get my PC up and running under Linux?

1. I learnt a lot about Linux and the enormous amount of information available within the distribution in README files, man pages, info files and ~/doc directories as well as on-line for those prepared to search and read.

2. When somebody used the Win2K PC on my desk at work and changed the settings for the CD-ROM burner, the data backups on a few multisession CDs were screwed up. After trying three Windows based CD-ROM programs I finally found one that would let me recover a lost session and write it to a new CD. Under Linux, the lost sessions can be mounted with a command line switch setting.

3. Under Linux I can read 3.5" disks written in a non-standard format that Windows and DOS wont touch.

4. My home hardware is old and wont support the latest versions of Windows.

5. My kids are getting old enough to do some (unintentional?) damage on my home PC. Under Linux I have far greater control.

6. Using the web and e-mail seems less like negotiating a minefield.

Configuring Linux and KDE was time-consuming and frustrating. I am very glad that I had previous experience with Minix and HP-UX. However I have also spent a week configuring a Win98 system to run in a network environment and spent days configuring WinNT systems to run software packages where the standard of documentation was much worse.

Linux will enchant you. Have fun!
Old 11-25-2003, 03:14 PM   #30
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10 good reasons for using Linux instead of Windows.
1) I have freedom to choose what software to use. In windows I have to use Internet Explorer or download a browser. In Linux I have 3 web browsers at least (I use Mandrake 9.1). I have severall programs for ftp, office, games, chat, etc...
2) Every time I try to do something new in linux like installing a hardware that doesn't have support I learn a lot. I now many people wont like to waste the time installing hardware, but if I don't have support from the hardware vendor for windows (I can't find driver for an old QuickCam) there isn't much I can do. In linux there is pretty good chance that someone had that problem before and already create the driver
3) There are almost no virus for linux and in windows everytime I connect to the Internet I have to pray so I don't get infected. Even if I downloade the latest virus deffinitions
4) With open source I am not a criminal for coping software
5) There exists different distributions from where to choose so if I don't like one I can choose another one that I like better. Most people think that Windows XP is great because it is better than Win 98, but they don't really have the chance to compare with other OS:
6) I don't need powerfull hardware for installing linux. I just installed on a pentium 2 333Mgz and it works pretty good. Windows XP was really slow on the same machine. So with linux I don't have to throw my old hardware. (That has economical advance an ecological advance for everyone)
7) Is more stable and faster thatn windows. If a program crash, just that program crash and not the whole OS. The kill comand works great like a lot greater than the ctl+alt+del in windows.
8) Real multi tasking, I remember thatn when I burn a cd in windows i could not use the computer for a while until the cd was burn. With linux I burn the cd while I am chating and browsing the web.
9) Linux is free!
10) I don't want to promote a monopoly. I have done that in the past by using Windows and now I want to have right to choose.

Sorry if I have too many spelling a gramar errors I am and spanish speaker


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