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Old 03-26-2006, 09:47 PM   #16
nadroj
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i think we should start fresh:

the point is, as mentioned, the CLI and GUI both have their benefits , there is a time to use one versus the other as one can do something that the other cannot do as well.

anyways. what linux distribution have you installed (or are thinking about installing) on your computer(s)?

if you havent installed one yet, what are you considering? do you want something for beginners and which use automation alot more (ie ubuntu)? or a distro to learn the ins and outs of linux and do the setup and configuration yourself manually (ie slackware or gentoo)?

if you have isntalled one, what are you having problems with? some software? hardware not working/being detected? cant install some program? etc
 
Old 03-26-2006, 09:50 PM   #17
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In order to succesfully install and maintain a Linux system for home usage, you will need a bit of experience. That experience can be obtained in one month of Linux usage, browsing the net, troubleshooting, asking questions, or simply having some experienced Linux user around to guide you. After a while it all comes by itself.

Also the difference between Mac OS and Linux is that you have full control over your Linux system.

I suggest you get Firefox, it works pretty well with these code snippets. I never heard of this happening in any browser though, even in the notorious IE. Strange..

Once you get the hang of Linux and find yourself forced to use the command line to compile new programs from source, you'll eventually find yourself using the CL more and more. In my case, I reached a point where I really prefer using the keyboard over reaching to the mouse, and sometimes use the CL for things that are right there in my Gnome menu (shutting down for example). Didn't expect that to happen, did I.. If you have enough determination, you'll eventually get there soon.

-A
 
Old 03-27-2006, 07:59 AM   #18
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Originally Posted by StoneAgeMoron
Thanks to those of you who took the time to post thoughtful replies.

Whenever someone tries to post a code snippet, all that is displayed is a grayed out empty one line box with the word "code" in the upper left corner. I can't learn if your instructional suggestions are being filtered out by my browser. What should I do to fix this.

If I may post a follow-up question: About how much technical education or professional experience is actually required to sucessfully install and maintain a Linux system? I have tried a few online Linux tutorials, but I don't understand them.

Also, isn't Mac OS-X also based on Unix, and also incorporate the command line? If I "go buy a Mac, dude," what sigificant differences could I expect in OS-X from Linux?

I am interested in learning, and I am trying to "get over it." Please bear with me. As my user name implies, in technology such as this, I am a stone age moron!

What exactly is a "troll?"
Near as I can tell, "troll" comes from the fishing term: trolling. The usage in forums is to refer to a poster who seems to be just looking (fishing) for attention.

In learning, it is better to ask questions that to throw rocks. Your first post had the sense of "I dare you to show me why this stupid OS is any good.

In my experience, most people that say they "can't" learn something are really saying: "I don't want to."

You can install and run most Linux distros without using the CLI, but you will need it eventually. The commands that you might need on a regular basis can be learned in 1 hour.

You will get more out of this forum with specific questions.
 
Old 03-27-2006, 09:30 AM   #19
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Some people still play chess. This game is 2000 years old. What is the problem with chess?
If you don't like CLI, don't use it and if you don't like chess don't play it. Still those who play chess or use the CLI are not out-fashioned, they are just more clever.
 
Old 03-27-2006, 10:34 AM   #20
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Ok, I am a noob and I use the command line. It is very useful and less restrictive than a GUI. Thinka bout waht would happen if no shell? What would you do if your PC didnt boot eh? also, many systems like servers have no GUI.
 
Old 03-27-2006, 10:53 AM   #21
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Graduation Day

7 Good for you for not giving up. The question you asked, and the perceived tone of the question prompted some vituperative responses. Since you have actually come back and asked a fairly legitimate question, you have made the first step toward shedding "troll" status.
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Originally Posted by StoneAgeMoron
Whenever someone tries to post a code snippet, all that is displayed is a grayed out empty one line box with the word "code" in the upper left corner. I can't learn if your instructional suggestions are being filtered out by my browser. What should I do to fix this.
Odd, like so many others I'm forced to use IE at work but the pages still render pretty well. What browser are you using?
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If I may post a follow-up question: About how much technical education or professional experience is actually required to sucessfully install and maintain a Linux system? I have tried a few online Linux tutorials, but I don't understand them.
The way things have been going, not very much. A few years back I would have strongly advised those without some fairly advanced skills from attempting it. The ease of installation and use are now little more than doing the same thing in Windows. But the grand vista {pun intended} of diving into the guts of the OS will still always be available.
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Also, isn't Mac OS-X also based on Unix, and also incorporate the command line? If I "go buy a Mac, dude," what sigificant differences could I expect in OS-X from Linux?
The power and flexibility of using the CLI is there in OS-X, but Mac has done a very good job at giving a shiny face to most administrative and configuration tasks.
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I am interested in learning, and I am trying to "get over it." Please bear with me. As my user name implies, in technology such as this, I am a stone age moron!
You have, at least, my sympathy. I'm very new to this as well so why don't we learn it together.
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What exactly is a "troll?"
All too often we encounter someone that tried, and failed, to get their Linux installation working. They drop a line, normally a very inflammable one, in the forum and are never heard from again. Since you've come back and asked a serious question - you may not qualify.
 
Old 03-27-2006, 11:07 AM   #22
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Mac has a prompt hiddent away whic is much like BSD's one. It ahs passwd and grep commands etc..... but my frind has amac and in reality, everythung can be done from the GUI. However, it is nowhere near as good as linux in terms of expandibilty. OSX is pretty fixed wheeras with Linux, if you dont like sometthing, you can just change it thanks to the woner of the GPL.
 
Old 03-27-2006, 08:33 PM   #23
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Linux vs. Mac ..... Hmmmm
OS-X is vaugely *nix based, but is proprietary. They can, and do, change anything they want. Maybe to stop 'non-authorized' software from functioning, or whatever.

Linux is the GPL/Open Source, community based/community supported OS. YOU choose what you want. YOU choose what not to include. YOU are the master of your OS (Of course, there are exceptions.)

It comes down to this:

1. Do you want an OS that is tailor-made to/for you? That you decide what/how/when and how it works?

2. Or do you want an OS that was decided by a commitee to 'Do what WE want you to do, and how to do it"?

If 1, Go GNU/Linux

If 2, Go Mac or Windows. And I'll pity you for your fear of freedom from others deciding your computing life.
 
  


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