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Old 12-10-2004, 09:43 AM   #16
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Not sure if this is why I don't have to put in a password or not ... but my SCPM (the profile manager) is disabled? Any thoughts?

I just wish I could readily emulate your systems boot behaviour! My best solution to this is to leave machine powered up (which I personally am happy to do since I spent quite a bit of time and effort and money quieting it down to the 20-25 DBa range, but that's not always quiet enough for my wife in the bedroom!)

Anyway how do I find and or stop this service? Would a KILL SCPM -9 do it? Or do I need a SKILL? help please... this and completing networking are my last obstacles to using Linux full on!
 
Old 12-10-2004, 10:54 AM   #17
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Checking on SCMP ... but in the meanwhile I'm recalling some of the system configurations I toyed with. I'm virtually the only one that uses this machine, but I created a couple of users so that I could look at permissions, etc. Try going into YaST, System, Edit and create users. Under the User and Group Administration window highlight your login and then click on "Expert Options..." and then select "Login Settings" ... put an "x" in the "Auto Login" box. See if that does it for you ... there is also a "Passwordless Logins" but I don't have that checked. See what that does for ya and I'll check more into the SCMP.

Don't give up yet!

Victory belongs to the most persevering.
--Napoleon Bonaparte--

(Gotta remember that in light I just trashed a 600 level psychology class ... second "C" and I'm on academic probation as a grad student

Let me know what happens on the re-boot.
 
Old 12-10-2004, 10:56 AM   #18
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Qoute: AMD XP3000+ with 20GB Seagate for Linux and 120 GB prime for the rest!


Hey is that 3000+ the 64bit processor?
 
Old 12-10-2004, 10:57 AM   #19
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Qoute: AMD XP3000+ with 20GB Seagate for Linux and 120 GB prime for the rest!


Hey is that 3000+ the 64bit processor?
Geesh ... "Qoute" ... no wonder I got C on that paper, pays to proof read!
 
Old 12-10-2004, 12:59 PM   #20
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... Try going into YaST, System, Edit and create users. Under the User and Group Administration window highlight your login and then click on "Expert Options..." and then select "Login Settings" ... put an "x" in the "Auto Login" box. See if that does it for you ... there is also a "Passwordless Logins" but I don't have that checked. ..

Let me know what happens on the re-boot.
well - I went there (again) and what I had was like that, except that I DID have passwordless login checked, so I unchecked that (because I am unable to create an account with no password, nor find KUser to do so). I also have "focus password" for my account checked...

Anyway after that change made a reboot, no difference, it will default to my account after five seconds, but then comes the blue screen followed by the password prompt.

Thanks for your help - I have no intention of giving up, it is maddening that the system fights so hard to retain its security despite my being quite clear what I want and why (one day I may need to boot machine with no keyboard and have it active for me!).

Replies to your other post to follow....
 
Old 12-10-2004, 01:04 PM   #21
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Hey is that 3000+ the 64bit processor?
Nope, maybe I shoulda put the family name or XP3000+.... it was the best I could afford two or three years back.

HOWEVER this is my second best rig - my recent build is on an MSI K8N Neo board and has a 939 socketed AMD64 3500 Winchester which is a bit more of a flier, when it goes (sadly the SATA and so forth on there is holding me back from Linux right now, certainly until I get these issues sorted on the 3000!)

look forward to the suggestion that eventually cracks this one - slightly relieved I have not been flamed for the insecurity of what I am trying to do (like, weak password are one thing, but NONE at all is the extreme end of the spectrum!)
 
Old 12-10-2004, 04:55 PM   #22
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Apparently certain functions are disabled in the configuration of WiFi - I did install a wireless nic, and while the system saw it right away, I haven't gotten it functioning fully ... but, this put me to thinking and ...

Ok ... digging deeper, try this:

System, YaST, System, Profile manager -

You should see something at the bottom, 'General Setup' where it'll say SCPM is enabled (or disabled as in my case) and an "Options" switch on the right hand side of the window. If you click the Options it, you'll then see where you can enable or disable SCPM, click ok, close, re-boot and give that a try.

I did find where the SCPM files are contained and what appears to be a command line call ... but I'm uncertain of its' full functionality with out further research. Let me know if this does the trick. I'm confirming whether or not it'll prompt me for a pw now.
 
Old 12-10-2004, 05:39 PM   #23
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SCPM is disabled

thanks to that I quickly found SCPM - and also quickly found it is already disabled. Not sure I can see any point in enabling and then disabling it.... There has to be something else, though what it may be has me stumped for sure. I almost feel this must have come up before and am tempted to google around for it - but then I feel it likely someone would equally post up the answer here - there should be a standard recipe for this, no?
 
Old 12-10-2004, 06:41 PM   #24
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I agree ... I was unable to re-enable my login ... this is wacked ... you don't want to login and I can't make mine login! geesh ... only other spot I can find is in YaST, System, //etc/sysconfig Editor, Desktop, Display manager, DISPLAYMANAGER

try putting your login in the Setting of: DISPLAYMANAGER_AUTOLOGIN and see what happens ... mine is blank, with no default value listed.

Oh ... just incase, my DISPLAYMANAGER_PASSWORD_LESS_LOGIN is set to "no".

I'm at the point I gotta know now just so I can turn profiles back on!

There is a contact I have with SuSe North America ... I'll email him to see if he can refer us to someone that can put us on the trail of what is going on if he isn't too busy.
 
Old 12-10-2004, 07:28 PM   #25
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I caused a little controversy on IRC just now in a channel where I hang out - consensus was this SHOULD be IMPOSSIBLE..... yet you believe you have / had it working. I may just drop it if it gets too time consuming....

I am really sorry if your changes have left you in a position where your system is disrupted simply on account of investigating this for me.... I'll pass back anything I discover (but I really am only about a week into my Linux learning).

[EDIT] Just checked and my login was already there in DISPLAY-MANAGE_AUTOLOGIN... I tried enabling minimum password length of 0 and it seemed to take, but then enforced five - I have tried setting to spaces, but suspect five spaces will still have to be entered..... I am almost ready to give up on this - maybe the only way to achieve it involves some fancy auto-complete or buffer stuffing? [/EDIT]

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Old 12-10-2004, 08:01 PM   #26
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No sweat wildman. Shy of someone witnessing this first hand. I turn my machine on ... it boots and I'm at my desktop, no login, no password.

At first I thought it was just when I was toying with my settings, now I'm beginning to wonder. I still show two profiles in my profile manager. I'll zip an email off later tonight or sometime tomorrow to the dude. He's been real helpful in the past.
 
Old 12-10-2004, 08:51 PM   #27
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Lightbulb

Got it!!

Ok ... when you click on the green suse button select "Control Center" ... so I don't confuse ya:
Click on:

Green button
Control Center
System Administration
Login Manager
Administrator Mode (button on the lower left part of the panel)
Put in your system password, then OK
Select the "Users" tab at the top, between "Shutdown" and "Convenience"
Check your login and the root as "Hidden Users"
The click on the "Convenience" tab and put "x's" in for "Enable auto-login" with your UserId as the "User:"

... and make sure you click "Apply" (I went here a couple of times and totally didn't click on "Apply" ... dohh! ... the things we learn by our mistakes ... wifes 1 and 2 and several girlfriends inbetween and I'm still dumb as a rock!)

... and I don't think it is necessary, but you may want to put a check in the box for "Password-Less logins" ... I did not have any "x's" in for the UserIds listed.

This should hook you up dude! I was able to switch between having a login and pw, to no login or pw. Let me know how it goes.

Linux - cause some times it pays to play!
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Old 12-11-2004, 09:54 AM   #28
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no hidden-users option :(

OK - I can believe this works for you (just about) but for whatever reason there is no "hidden users" option on my screen there - I had been to this option before so my logon was already checked. The only change I could make as to check root also. I think I have tried it both with and without passwordless-logins, but either way makes no difference. I have no idea what would cause me to get (or loose) a radio button for hidden users.... I would tell you what the three buttons I have are exactly... but it lookslike my Linuc box just froze (I think it was something like select users, hide users, and none - will post back maybe after a reboot.

As I said, I am giving up on this temporarily and trying to run the machine under constant power up - hopefully it is not going to freeze again like that!

Sorry not to have better news

[EDIT] checked - it is "none", "selected-only", and "not hidden" (with a fourth square check box for "sort users" but no option for hiding....) So looks like I am ou of options and out of luck? [/EDIT]

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Old 12-23-2004, 12:43 PM   #29
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still trying...

although I have been distracted what with time of year etc I am still trying along these lines - last thing I was working on was installing KUser, but dependencies stopped me with downloaded version somehow and when I tried from DVD it was not found...

I am also trying to get networking over to XP going, and lastly Extended desktop (config for X I believe).

I have also ordered the Ubuntu Debian distro (including AMD64 variation) - I think the killer distro for me will be one that I can get to network, support my mp3 player, Extended desktop, and last but not least maybe run my Winfast TV/FM card (I think the last one will prove the hardest!)

So that is where I am at in my transition - still a long way from booting to Linux as a working default. Anyway hoping I can somehow still make null password, but it is not a showstopper, unlike the other bits and pieces...
 
Old 01-05-2005, 01:28 PM   #30
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Not sure if this will help or not ... but ran across it on Slashdot:

http://www.redmondmag.com/columns/ar...itorialsID=858
 
  


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