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Old 12-08-2004, 05:40 PM   #1
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Networking to XP - transitioning


OK now I have my linux dual boot almost how I want it - almost to the point I reset it to default into a Linux boot and not XP..... there are a couple of things stopping me. One easy, the other not so hard (I hope)...

1. I would like (as I can with XP) to set machine so that it will by default boot up right to operational - IE with no login/password intervention required. At the moment it waits a few secs to decide OS from GRUB and then another 30 secs to take default user... BUT then has to have password. Can I just make this password NULL and override warnings? Not tried that, had impression it was not an option, but maybe that is just for root (which is NOT the default login - even as a n00b I am not that dumb!).

2. I find myself frustrated at "loss" of all my old firefox faves etc. And being a lazy bugger with network in place I always seek to find and move over network. I can see the computer I would source the export to import from OK. But if I look for files I am presented with a USER and DOMAIN login screen - now my XP rig is using WORKGROUP based networking - is this supported in Linux, or do I have to shift to domain operation? (Would be a separate learnign curve/transition). Yeah I know I can do the floppy thing, but this is sure to come up again and networking should be an option across OS if the file system is no object.

This is only my second thread (I think, or maybe third).... so I hope you can see from how far I have coe that you guys have been a great help.

I just hope you can "keep it up"! Looking forward to hearing.

PS Will someone tell me when they think I can move on from N00b forum? I am pretty sure I am no way close yet!
 
Old 12-08-2004, 07:02 PM   #2
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think I have done 1.

OK after a little reading and fiddling I hope 1. is done (about to reboot to test)

Basically switched from gnome to KDE - made my ID the auto one and made autologin passwordless from no to yes - hopefully that does it.... we shall see...

Still hoping for network help though!
 
Old 12-08-2004, 07:13 PM   #3
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2. I find myself frustrated at "loss" of all my old firefox faves etc. And being a lazy bugger with network in place I always seek to find and move over network. I can see the computer I would source the export to import from OK. But if I look for files I am presented with a USER and DOMAIN login screen - now my XP rig is using WORKGROUP based networking - is this supported in Linux, or do I have to shift to domain operation? (Would be a separate learnign curve/transition). Yeah I know I can do the floppy thing, but this is sure to come up again and networking should be an option across OS if the file system is no object.
Unless Ive misunderstood something, I believe you may be looking for samba. More precisely the smbclient. It may be as simple as creating a user account on the windows machine in question with the same username and password as your linux user. You can read on samba here.

http://us1.samba.org/samba/index.html

good luck.
 
Old 12-08-2004, 07:19 PM   #4
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Thumbs down my config changes failed

Peacedog - I do believe you are right, shall look into Samba right off....

Anyone else with me so far - the three config changes I made for 1. (auto login no password) did NOT work!! It behaves just as it always did, defaults to my login after 30 secs and insists on password. Can anyone help or explain on that one? Also have I switched to kde? Thought it would "look" diffferent from Gnome, but see no difference I can notice....
 
Old 12-08-2004, 07:49 PM   #5
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Re: my config changes failed

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Peacedog - I do believe you are right, shall look into Samba right off....

Anyone else with me so far - the three config changes I made for 1. (auto login no password) did NOT work!! It behaves just as it always did, defaults to my login after 30 secs and insists on password. Can anyone help or explain on that one? Also have I switched to kde? Thought it would "look" diffferent from Gnome, but see no difference I can notice....
Have you tried the "gdmsetup" command? It controls the way the initial graphical login screen works. I just fired it up. It does have an option to enable "automatic login," so you apparently do not have to switch from gdm to kdm just for that feature.

KDE and GNOME do look a lot different unless you're using a Red Hat flavour. I don't know how SuSE tweaks the default application settings with KDE. but the two desktop environments have a different set of default applications.
 
Old 12-08-2004, 10:30 PM   #6
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Re: my config changes failed

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Anyone else with me so far - the three config changes I made for 1. (auto login no password) did NOT work!! It behaves just as it always did, defaults to my login after 30 secs and insists on password. Can anyone help or explain on that one? Also have I switched to kde? Thought it would "look" diffferent from Gnome, but see no difference I can notice....
Not sure what disto your using (now that I'm in the reply editor), but in SuSe it is as easy as making changes in YaST under the system editor I believe. I've toyed so much I can't remember - my machine boots right into the KDE desktop. Away from my usual box ... I'll check tomorrow to see if I can retrace my foot steps.
 
Old 12-09-2004, 04:00 AM   #7
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Have you tried the "gdmsetup" command? ...
KDE and GNOME do look a lot different ...
I have tried gdmsetup now, thanks, there was more to change there.

They surely are different - KDE seems to take a lot more from windoze - so I guess I'll be more comfortable there plus it seems more feature rich (and once I adjust therefore maybe more friendly.

I just even tried the Xchat for my favourite IRC channel where I hang out, but seems to require server specified so have to look up which are up for it.

Anyway - having done the gdmsetup AND discovered by accident where I set KDE instead of GNOME as default I am off to try a reboot and see if this (finally) resolves issue #1. A few windows peeps are trying to help me with #2 also. Now I just need to adjust to Konqueror in place of Firefox I suppose.....

[EDIT] GREAT :rollesyes: now it has reverted to booting into Windoze by default, have to go and fix that if I can find the config thingummy in KDE now!! [/EDIT]

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Old 12-09-2004, 05:36 AM   #8
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Thumbs down found KDE configuration

OK OK I fixed that in YAST2, no idea why it had to be reset when I switched out of GNOME to KDE, but I am learning not to second guess

Anyway - talked to a friend, he helped me find the KDE configuration editor and, in fact, advised me against KDESETUP. Anyway in the config editor for KDE there seem to be all the switched I might need to set, and YET stil no luck

Presently what happens is machine boots, defaults to Linux from GRUB and then also defaults to my login and then brings up blue screen and THEN asks for PASSWORD - not what I want... I have tried using the editor to remove password, but this is not accepted. I may try setting up a new user with no password, but expect this to be also rejected.....

Anyone have any further ideas? I also selected password remembering - but that does not seems to have worked either.... I'll play a little more (maybe I have to enter password the first time?) but thought I would post anyway for the update....
 
Old 12-09-2004, 05:37 AM   #9
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Glad you got pretty much everything figured out.

I agree with you about KDE. I *think* they're trying to make it as easy as possible for the Windows users to transition to Linux. I'm not sure if that's the right direction, but they at least have a vision.

BTW, you can continue using Firefox under KDE with no problem. That's exactly what I'm doing.
 
Old 12-09-2004, 05:52 AM   #10
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Presently what happens is machine boots, defaults to Linux from GRUB and then also defaults to my login and then brings up blue screen and THEN asks for PASSWORD - not what I want... I have tried using the editor to remove password, but this is not accepted. I may try setting up a new user with no password, but expect this to be also rejected.....
Use KUser. It is the KDE wrapper for the account management. I know it lets you specify empty passwords. I just tried it.
 
Old 12-09-2004, 06:17 AM   #11
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Use KUser. It is the KDE wrapper for the account management. I know it lets you specify empty passwords. I just tried it.
errr. just tried and it comes up "not found" - also I tried Locate and GREP for something else recently and Locate was not found and GREP hung after I entered it (and yes, I did wait a loooong time!)

I am in root and not sure where further to go.... this is frustrating because I must be close (although it strikes me a passwordless logon selection should override any password being present also).

[EDIT] Decided to start a new thread for #2 because I will need to deal with installing Samba (assuming I do not have it in the 9.1 SuSE distro from Novell) [/EDIT]

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Old 12-09-2004, 12:04 PM   #12
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Not sure if this is why I don't have to put in a password or not ... but my SCPM (the profile manager) is disabled? Any thoughts?

 
Old 12-09-2004, 12:22 PM   #13
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disabling - how?

well I will happily be a guinea pig and disable that if I know how to do it.....

it is not the same as KILLing a process I am sure - I maybe will have a dig around, but hopefully someone with more knowledge can post something to indicate likelihood of success or anything else helpful

thanks for taking a look
 
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errr. just tried and it comes up "not found" - also I tried Locate and GREP for something else recently and Locate was not found and GREP hung after I entered it (and yes, I did wait a loooong time!)
Something strange is happening to your system, unless SuSE removed KUser from their KDE installation. The "kuser" executable is part of the kdeadmin package and should be found under the "System" menu.
 
Old 12-09-2004, 01:47 PM   #15
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Something strange is happening to your system, unless SuSE removed KUser from their KDE installation. The "kuser" executable is part of the kdeadmin package and should be found under the "System" menu.
I have no KUser either (SuSe 9.1 Personal)??
 
  


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