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Old 08-20-2011, 06:23 PM   #1
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Learning RH, trying to load it on an old machine,need help


I am very much a newbie. I want to load RH on a older computer I have to learn RH. I am desperate for help. I have changed bios to boot from cdrom, but it does not recognize my cd with RHEL server 6.0 on it. I hate to say but I am pretty clueless right now.I was given this RHEL server 6.0 on a thumb drive and copied it to a disk. anybody have time to walk me through this. I really would like to learn RH, and bring it into our business.

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Old 08-20-2011, 07:24 PM   #2
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I am very much a newbie. I want to load RH on a older computer I have to learn RH. I am desperate for help. I have changed bios to boot from cdrom, but it does not recognize my cd with RHEL server 6.0 on it. I hate to say but I am pretty clueless right now.I was given this RHEL server 6.0 on a thumb drive and copied it to a disk. anybody have time to walk me through this. I really would like to learn RH, and bring it into our business.
As I'm sure others will tell you...if you're not going to PAY for RedHat Enterprise, then you shouldn't be using it. RHEL is a paid-for version of Linux...it's free to load and use, but you will NOT get any updates, patches, bugfixes, security updates, etc. Load CentOS instead, which is essentially a community-supported version of RHEL, and totally free. And why are you "desperate"? What time constraints do you have? What pressures??

And when you say you were given it on a thumb drive and "copied" it...HOW did you copy it? If the thumb drive was bootable, and you didn't use "dd" or another similar drive-copy utility, then your CD isn't bootable, and won't work. The best thing you can do is to download CentOS, and burn the ISO (using whatever CD/DVD burning utility you wish), to a disk, and use it. You don't post the specs of your older computer, which would be a good idea...the latest server-grade distro (be it RHEL, SLES, CentOS, Ubuntu, etc.), may not even work on your machine. No reflection on Linux, either....you couldn't load Windows 7 on an old Pentium III with 128MB of RAM either....
 
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Old 08-20-2011, 09:52 PM   #3
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I took the red hat 1 and 2 class and they gave us the thumb drives with this on it, I am not trying to steal anything, this was from REDHAT. Unfortunately the class was way above me and I pretty much just tried to take in what I could. What I would like to do is be able to setup like they did at the class and have a virtual setup that I could go through the books at my own pace. I understand the issue with the older computer too, would you know where I could get the requirements at. I just created an account on red hat so I am kind of looking around there now. Any help would be greatly appreciated.

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Old 08-20-2011, 10:55 PM   #4
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You haven't answered the question about how you copied it to the USB - and you haven't given us any specs for your machine.
I loaded the Beta release onto an old laptop at work - probably P-III with only 512 Meg of memory, so it doesn't need a lot of hardware. Was from a CD burnt directly from a downloaded iso though.
 
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Old 08-20-2011, 11:10 PM   #5
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copy and specs

I did not copy it, they gave us the thumb drives with "rhel-server-6.0-x86_64-dvd.iso" on the thumb drive.
Standard Memory 32 MB
Memory Comments PC100/133 SDRAM DIMMs
CPU Type 600MHz Intel Celeron
Model Comments 66MHz FSB, Intel 810 Chipset

The computer has nothing loaded on it, when I power it up it is at the c:\> prompt DOS. 4,227,072 bytes free.

I guess another thing is if this is not able to load red hat, can I purchase a computer with it loaded, if so where, and would it have the virtual stuff like we were using in class so I could practice?

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Old 08-20-2011, 11:26 PM   #6
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O.k. now we've got some valid info - in future include everything in the initial post. Else you're likely to get ignored.
Presuming you used CD burning software to burn an "image", you'll have a CD that should boot a 64-bit processor - that Celeron doesn't qualify. I'm surprised you don't get a message about that on boot.

Also 32 Meg is way too small. I haven't tried a virtual load on a small image, but I'd reckon 256 Meg as an absolute minimum - even for the server.
 
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Old 08-21-2011, 02:10 AM   #7
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use a DIFFERENT computer
there is no red hat os that can run on only 32 meg
that is way to small

also a 64 bit OS(rhel-server-6.0-x86_64-dvd.iso) will NOT install on a 32 bit computer

Am i right in thinking that windows 95 or windows 3.1 was installed on this computer

Also that copy of RHEL6 might not have a GUI ,it might be TEXT ONLY and not have a "desktop" to install.
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I am not trying to steal anything, this was from REDHAT
it is also an "evaluation" copy . Sort of "free" but NOT .
you can use it for 30 days but until you buy a license you will NOT be able to install anything on it .

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use a different computer .A new 64 bit machine with 8 gig of ram
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use CentOS 6.0 or ScientificLinux 6.1
https://www.centos.org/
http://www.scientificlinux.org/

both are community supported versions of RHEL 6

however they ARE DESIGNED for servers and NOT FOR THE HOME DESKTOP

For the desktop i would recommend you use Ubuntu.
http://www.ubuntu.com/
 
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Old 08-21-2011, 08:08 AM   #8
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Thanks

I am going to hunt down another computer. I do appreciate the help, hopefully I will be able to load cents or scientificlinux with no problems. What do you think about Fedora? Also remember I want to be able to use my REDHAT books to practice with, do these os's have a virtual with them? I know dang rookies! Also one more question, how much would a license cost me for what I want to do with a system, I will buy one that is not an issue I was given this in class as was everyone else and thought we could use it to train with. So again I would like to train with what I will be tested with (using the books they gave us too) running through all the labs using the virtual setup like they had. Then be able to administrate the system I tell my folks which os is better to use. I am grow old quickly with windows, it seems to be a very slow death for me.

Okay I am looking at getting an IMac 2.66Ghz, 4Gb, 1Tb, imac desktop Apple i5, can I make this a dual boot computer?

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Old 08-21-2011, 08:40 AM   #9
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John VV has a very annoying habit of yelling and pontificating at people. Particularly new people.
Perhaps well intentioned, but the rants tend to obscure such.

Get a new computer, use what you were given without guilt.
If you need updates (unlikely if merely going over your coursework), then consider one of the others.
 
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Old 08-21-2011, 09:19 AM   #10
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John VV, I am not sure what you are trying to insinuate with the "QUOTE" but I find that very offensive. Why would one do that to another person, very unfair. I paid good money for these classes! I am not a thief, we were told we could use these thumb drives to load on our system, from the red hat instructor! He may have added more but I am sorry that I could not retain everything he told us in this two week course! If this is the type of forum I am in I will be gladly leave. I am trying to do the right thing here, with some help from some experienced users. I came to this forum to get help that is all, I did not go to some hacker site. I am an above board person and believe in paying for what services I get also! Am here to learn the Red Hat admin side of this OS, and nothing more! If one cannot understand this I am sorry, but that was not right to post something like that to someone that is new to the system, there are better ways of doing that! I do appreciate the help I have gotten from here so far, I have no problems sharing my experiences when I can be of help too. After all it is what it is all about isn't it? Also not afraid to put my name on here!
Cheers,
Don Salak

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Old 08-21-2011, 09:32 AM   #11
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I am not here for trouble, I do not mean to offend anyone but I must stand up to insults also. I do not quite understand the ranting to someone you do not even know. But I do appreciate a person that is willing to take time out of their life to help others! Thank you to all that care and are willing to help better others in one way or another.
 
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Old 08-21-2011, 11:26 AM   #12
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I did not copy it, they gave us the thumb drives with "rhel-server-6.0-x86_64-dvd.iso" on the thumb drive.
Not to sound argumentative, but from your first post:
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I was given this RHEL server 6.0 on a thumb drive and copied it to a disk
??? If you just copied the ISO image to a CD/DVD, it won't work. An ISO is a disk image...in order for it to work, you need to use your CD burning software to write it. All CD/DVD authoring software has this capability...for instance, in K3B under Linux, it's under Tools->Burn Disk Image.
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Standard Memory 32 MB
Memory Comments PC100/133 SDRAM DIMMs
CPU Type 600MHz Intel Celeron
Model Comments 66MHz FSB, Intel 810 Chipset

The computer has nothing loaded on it, when I power it up it is at the c:\> prompt DOS. 4,227,072 bytes free. I guess another thing is if this is not able to load red hat, can I purchase a computer with it loaded, if so where, and would it have the virtual stuff like we were using in class so I could practice?
As others have said, your machine isn't able to run this. There are SOME versions of Linux that COULD run on it, but they are far from RHEL, and you're going to have to give up some capabilities to load them. And please know that no one was thinking that you stole anything by having RHEL. The fact is, you are TOTALLY FREE to use RHEL, without paying a cent, as I said in my first post. What you WILL NOT GET is support/updates/patches/etc. afterwards, as you do with community-supported distros. Again, you say you are in "desperate need" for RHEL...if that's the case, don't get a Mac. Mac's aren't the easiest machines to do anything with, other than have them be Mac's. You CAN dual-boot, and do whatever you want, but if you're new to the game, and want something easy....get a regular PC (cheaper than you can get a Mac), and use it. You still don't say what makes this a "desperate need", or why you NEED RHEL, but I'd strongly suggest Ubuntu or Mint.

Those distros are geared more towards folks who are just starting out, and they're a bit more user-friendly. RHEL and others are designed for SERVERS. Servers are machines that run 24/7 in a back room somewhere, and typically don't have unnecessary parts. Things like Wireless network cards...bluetooth..sound...or a GUI based console. Servers don't need them, and as such, RHEL and server-distros don't support them, or they'll need a good bit of work to get going.
 
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Old 08-21-2011, 11:55 AM   #13
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TBOne;

The thing that bothers me is that one automatically jumps to the worst scenario right off the bat, how disappointing. No faith in your fellow man, what a shame. I know the world is not perfect but give people a chance before you judge. One might find we are not all bad. I know the post was not perfectly put but I am new to the game, wish I could have done better, just need to learn how and what to ask I am thinking after all the grief it is causing and how I hate when someone calls another out with out even knowing them first. We all know that this is a very impersonal way to work which makes it hard to know who is at the other end but if one would put more of a positive spin on it, it could prove more productive to all. I am sure if I were to call you out on something because you were vague (using that word for lack of the right word at this moment) on the subject because you were new you would not be happy either.
 
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Old 08-21-2011, 01:28 PM   #14
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TBOne;
The thing that bothers me is that one automatically jumps to the worst scenario right off the bat, how disappointing. No faith in your fellow man, what a shame. I know the world is not perfect but give people a chance before you judge. One might find we are not all bad. I know the post was not perfectly put but I am new to the game, wish I could have done better, just need to learn how and what to ask I am thinking after all the grief it is causing and how I hate when someone calls another out with out even knowing them first. We all know that this is a very impersonal way to work which makes it hard to know who is at the other end but if one would put more of a positive spin on it, it could prove more productive to all. I am sure if I were to call you out on something because you were vague (using that word for lack of the right word at this moment) on the subject because you were new you would not be happy either.
Wow....you may want to take a few deep breaths here.

First, who is "judging" you? Calling you out? Hmm??? You posted something, then posted something contradictory. Anyone who views this thread could easily see it, and (as you said), you're "new to the game". Asking for clarification isn't a bad thing, now is it?

No one jumped to any conclusions, or said anything bad to you. If you think we did...you're wrong. You asked for assistance, and were in turn asked questions in response, which you did not (and still haven not) answered. Things you may not have known (like RHEL support being paid-for, support for hardware, what an ISO image is, etc.), were told to you, and options were given. All anyone in this thread has done, was try to help you.

Again, you don't NEED REDHAT to learn Linux. The basics are all there in any distro, from LVM's, Virtual Machines, etc. If your ultimate goal is to take your RHCE, and get a certification, you can START with Ubuntu, learn, then load CentOS and easily be able to take your tests.
 
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Old 08-21-2011, 01:42 PM   #15
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I am not wrong and there were unneeded comments made here. What this is is pure nit picking, just like two old women, I will discontinue my goal for Red Hat, and we will stick with the Windows servers and workstations. It was as plain as day that we have people in here that want to be looked at as the Red Hat gods! Sorry for those of you who were really here to help (syg00). I did get what I needed form syg00 and as I said I am moving on. As for this statement as clear as mud: it is also an "evaluation" copy . Sort of "free" but NOT . Hmmmm next
 
  


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