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Old 09-04-2005, 05:05 PM   #1
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knoppix 3.9 live installer


hey guys i am new at knoppix and i just received a copy of knoppix 3.9 live cd
and it boots up from the cd just fine and every thing works great. but i can not find the live installer i select KNOPPIX utilities but i do not have the option for install software .i am wonting
to try and use fprot.thanks for any help you can give.
have a good day. wdavis
 
Old 09-04-2005, 06:16 PM   #2
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Knoppix is not made to be installed, although it's possible. I'd suggest getting a different distro such as SUSE or Xandros or Fedora Core to install to the HD.
 
Old 09-04-2005, 07:47 PM   #3
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knoppix 3.9 live installer

thanks but iam talking about installing programs into Knoppix while it is running from the CD?
 
Old 09-04-2005, 08:00 PM   #4
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how can i install programs into Knoppix while it is running from the CD

how can i install programs into Knoppix 3 .9 while it is running from the CD
thanks
 
Old 09-04-2005, 08:14 PM   #5
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should be the same way with other distros id think?
u might have to install to a mountpoint so it can actually isntall somewhere and not to ram or wherever.
 
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Old 09-05-2005, 06:37 AM   #7
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knoppix 3.9 live installer

ok thanks for all of your help but what i am wonting to do is to use the knoppix 3.9 cd to scan for virus on a friends computer.i am wonting to use f-prot virus scanner.
i found this on the net. You can install F-Prot with Knoppix's live-software installer
The live installer needs a working Internet connection to download the program, and the program itself needs to be able to download updates as well.

ok so i have a working Internet connection i just dont know how to find the Knoppix's live-software installer.
sorry that i am so dumb about all of this
thank you and have a good day
 
Old 09-09-2005, 10:11 AM   #8
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This is so frustrating! I am trying to use the 3.9 Knoppix cd also. I am trying to follow Oreilly's knoppix hacks and it tells you to go to the K Menu - > KNOPPIX -> Utilities - >"Install Software while running from CD" to start the live installer but alas there is no such option. The book is written based on 3.4 so I wonder if this is no longer an option.

I find the 3.9 to be somewhat unusable if it does not have this function anymore. I am trying to use the cd as a totally corrupted windows machine fixer but the software to do that is not on the cd! What is the point of putting games and crap on there? I need F-Prot and I need the registry hacker. Both programs are nowhere to be seen on the disk. You must download them but good luck downloading anything.

Someone please point us into the right direction. Even if there is no such function in the cd, I assume you could go to a website still and download there but which website do we go to if we wish to find f-prot and chntpw? Please give instructions!
 
Old 09-09-2005, 11:20 AM   #9
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You can't install software to a live CD, AFAIK. To install additional software, you need to have knoppix actually installed somewhere, not runing off the CDRom. You could mount some portion of a non NTFS disk or usb drive, set knoppix to write to it, and then install the software there.

Also, the vast majority of computer problems aren't related to viruses. A virus writer uses the virus to do several things, get access to data, gain control of a system (either directly or just to spam out mail), and things of that nature. Having a machine that won't go online or reboots aren't typical virus problems, because those things hamper the ability of the virus writer to use your computer. So either install the virus scanner somewhere you can write to, (will take work, maybe more than you can do if you aren't linux faamiliar to begin with), or use knoppix to save the data somewhere else (burned to CD DVD, move over the network to another computer), and then format/reinstall the OS you usually use.

Peace,
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Old 09-09-2005, 11:23 AM   #10
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knoppix 3.9 live installer

polybus i know how you feel i can not seem to get much help out of this forum
but i dont think knoppix 3.9 has that option i have searched the net and can not find anything about it i just ordered knoppix 3.4 cd and i will try it.
you can use p-prot for dos and create a set of boot floppys and boot up with them and scan for virus.
have a good day.wdavis
 
Old 09-09-2005, 11:46 AM   #11
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knoppix 3.9 live installer

thanks but i am not trying to install software or programs to live cd
i am trying to install f-prot to memory
i hope it is ok for me to post this as this is what i am trying to do i found this on the net

Virus Scanning With Knoppix
Well OK, ranting is fun and cathartic, but it doesn't solve problems. Knoppix, the live Linux on a bootable CD, is proving to be the most innovative, useful Linux distribution there is. Starting with Knoppix 3.4, you can use it as a portable, cross-platform virus scanner. The advantages of this are many:

* You are working from a guaranteed clean operating system, which being on a non-writable disk, is impossible to compromise
* Because you must power down the PC to boot Knoppix, any memory-resident nasties are evicted
* It is free, so you can burn masses of disks, and go on a virus-scanning spree

Scanning a Windows system with Knoppix before you install something like Symantec or MacAfee means you'll be scanning with the latest virus updates. Most commercial AV products can do a pre-installation scan from the installation disks, but they are months or more out-of-date.

How To Do A Virus Scan With Knoppix
Boot up the system with Knoppix 3.4. The default keyboard layout is in German, so English speakers might want to use this boot command:

knoppix lang=us

Hit F2 or F3 to see all the boot-time command options; Knoppix supports a number of languages, and a large number of boot configurations.

When Knoppix is booted, select KNOPPIX -> utilities -> install software. This brings up a menu; check "f-prot."

After f-prot is installed, select KNOPPIX -> Extra Software -> f-prot. This brings up the f-prot menu; the first thing you want to do is 4. "Online Update."

After the new virus definitions are downloaded, select partitions or directories to scan. Yes, you can select Windows partitions too. Knoppix automatically mounts all partitions on your system, so you can easily select the ones you want. Hit the "scan" button, and go find something to do, because it can take awhile. When it's finished, you'll see a report showing the results of the scan. This method only runs a scan, it does not remove viruses.

Disinfecting Windows With f-prot
What should you do if f-prot finds infected files on a Windows system? If the filesystem is NTFS, f-prot cannot disinfect the system, because write support for NTFS in Linux is not reliable, so you don't even want to try. You'll need an AV product made for Windows.

You can scan and clean up a Windows FAT16/32 partition, by running f-prot from the command line instead of the graphical menu. First, make sure the partition is mounted read/write; simply right-click on the icon for the drive, which is on your Knoppix desktop, and left-click Actions -> Change read/write mode.

Next, open a command shell and run this command, naming of course the partition you want scanned:

$ f-prot -disinf -list /mnt/hda1

The -list option shows the scan's progress, and the -disinf option will disinfect the system. And that's all there is to it. If f-prot encounters something it cannot clean up, it should be able to quarantine it. what i would like to know is duz 3.9 have that option
 
Old 09-09-2005, 11:57 AM   #12
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JimBass,

I tried some things on my Aunt's overly infested pc. I really want to avoid the jump ship and reinstall everything route which could take me a day or so plus they may lose some things that they forgot to copy off to a usb device. The machine is acting stranger than anything I have seen in the past. I will list some symptoms:

Uses 75% CPU time constantly.
Task manager has no access to process list, only app list but no title bar either.
When I go to the Run registry key the registry editor hangs.
Only 1 user can log in. The rest hang before getting to the desktop. I even went into safe mode and created a new administrator level login which hung also.

I was able to uninstall about 25 programs that were clearly ad-ware based. I installed the Security Task Manager, Zone-Alarm, and nod32 antivirus.

Security Task Manager starts to make a list of processes but hangs,
Zone Alarm doesn't see anything to stop,
The antivirus goes in a continuous loop on the same couple of files and never finishes.

wdavis65,

Thanks for your suggestion. I think I'll give that a whirl.
 
Old 09-09-2005, 12:42 PM   #13
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Re: knoppix 3.9 live installer

Quote:
Originally posted by wdavis65
thanks but i am not trying to install software or programs to live cd
i am trying to install f-prot to memory
i hope it is ok for me to post this as this is what i am trying to do i found this on the net

Virus Scanning With Knoppix
Well OK, ranting is fun and cathartic, but it doesn't solve problems. Knoppix, the live Linux on a bootable CD, is proving to be the most innovative, useful Linux distribution there is. Starting with Knoppix 3.4, you can use it as a portable, cross-platform virus scanner. The advantages of this are many:

* You are working from a guaranteed clean operating system, which being on a non-writable disk, is impossible to compromise
* Because you must power down the PC to boot Knoppix, any memory-resident nasties are evicted
* It is free, so you can burn masses of disks, and go on a virus-scanning spree

Scanning a Windows system with Knoppix before you install something like Symantec or MacAfee means you'll be scanning with the latest virus updates. Most commercial AV products can do a pre-installation scan from the installation disks, but they are months or more out-of-date.

How To Do A Virus Scan With Knoppix
Boot up the system with Knoppix 3.4. The default keyboard layout is in German, so English speakers might want to use this boot command:

knoppix lang=us

Hit F2 or F3 to see all the boot-time command options; Knoppix supports a number of languages, and a large number of boot configurations.

When Knoppix is booted, select KNOPPIX -> utilities -> install software. This brings up a menu; check "f-prot."

After f-prot is installed, select KNOPPIX -> Extra Software -> f-prot. This brings up the f-prot menu; the first thing you want to do is 4. "Online Update."

After the new virus definitions are downloaded, select partitions or directories to scan. Yes, you can select Windows partitions too. Knoppix automatically mounts all partitions on your system, so you can easily select the ones you want. Hit the "scan" button, and go find something to do, because it can take awhile. When it's finished, you'll see a report showing the results of the scan. This method only runs a scan, it does not remove viruses.

Disinfecting Windows With f-prot
What should you do if f-prot finds infected files on a Windows system? If the filesystem is NTFS, f-prot cannot disinfect the system, because write support for NTFS in Linux is not reliable, so you don't even want to try. You'll need an AV product made for Windows.

You can scan and clean up a Windows FAT16/32 partition, by running f-prot from the command line instead of the graphical menu. First, make sure the partition is mounted read/write; simply right-click on the icon for the drive, which is on your Knoppix desktop, and left-click Actions -> Change read/write mode.

Next, open a command shell and run this command, naming of course the partition you want scanned:

$ f-prot -disinf -list /mnt/hda1

The -list option shows the scan's progress, and the -disinf option will disinfect the system. And that's all there is to it. If f-prot encounters something it cannot clean up, it should be able to quarantine it. what i would like to know is duz 3.9 have that option
thanks for posting that. Next time someone asks me to help them I will do this.
 
Old 09-11-2005, 10:51 AM   #14
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knoppix 3.9 live installer

never did get this to work with knoppix 3.9 but i did get it to work with knoppix 3.4
thanks for all the help.
have a good day wdavis65
 
Old 09-16-2005, 03:11 PM   #15
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I did get this working for KNOPPIX 3.9, this is from memory, but you should get the idea.

d/l the f-prot rpm from their website.

at the bash prompt type

alien <f-prot rpm file name here> # this converts it to a debian installable format, but you may not have to do this.

in KDE open kpackager # its under KMenu-KNoppix-utilities-Manage Software in Knoppix

click file-open

open the file <f-prot.deb>

a new window will open up and there will be an install button.

click the install button.

There is no GUI it's only a command line, but there you go.

I also have a copy of KNOPPIX 3.6 that has a live d/l link under KNOPPIX that works as it does in 3.4 and has a sudo GUI
 
  


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