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i have an old machine that runs win 98, i'd like to install a version of linux on it and use it for a learning tool. here's the setup:
350 MHz Pentium II 512K L2 cache
64 MB 100 MHz SDRAM
8.4 GB ATA hard drive ( primary )
32 bit Ultra ATA hard drive controller
1.44MB 3.5" floppy drive
32x CD - ROM drive
SMC 1211TX lan card driver ver 1.06
8MB nVidia Riva 128 video card
64 voice maestro sound card
mouse, keyboard on the motherboard
any suggestions for a good version to install? i want to use it for web browsing, email, C programming and eventually get it on the home network, might play with mp3s and jpeg files. i did post an intro on myself, i hope this stupid windows machine didn't lose it. also, pls point to tutorials on iso's, live discs, etc.
btw, "distribution" in the user profile should read "none"
Last edited by tired_of_windows; 11-14-2009 at 03:55 PM.
Reason: distribution in user profile wrong
hmm.. sounds like i need a newer old computer. that may be possible since i know people who throw their windows machines out after they slow down with crapware. my old machine is a micron millenia 350, and right now the cd - rom doesn't want to work. i do have a second and even slower old machine, maybe i can swap parts or play with drivers. i'll be on the side for a while, will dig up bios version and also look into memory modules. thanks to all.
between memory and the cd - rom, it's looking to be about $80 to make the old machine worth using. plan b would be to "money" out of the situation with a new low - end machine, for $250 micro center offers:
PowerSpec N 101
Operating System Ubuntu 8.04 LTS Desktop Edition
Processor Intel® Celeron® Processor 440
Processor Speed 2.0GHz
Level 2 Cache 512KB Level 2 Cache
Data Bus Speed 800MHz Frontside Bus
RAM Installed / Max RAM Supported 1GB DDR2 RAM (Expandable to 4GB)
Memory Configuration (1) 1GB DIMM Memory Module
Memory Slots Total 2
Memory Slots Available (1) Available 240-pin DIMM Slot
Network Features 10/100/1000 Gigabit Ethernet Network
used systems go for $100 - $250 around here.
any comments on this machine? farslayer, there's a micro center in mayfield heights, do u know anyone with a powerspec? the celeron shouldn't be much of an issue, the heaviest load i might put on it would be some jpeg and raw file tweaking, no video.
Actually the original 'old machine' hardware would work with 'Slackware®'. I would use 'XFCE' instead of 'KDE' if you must have a desktop. If you really want to learn something other than a GUI then you should start learning the cli by using 'Linux Command Guide' or 'Linux Newbie Admin Guide'.
Your installation may need some tweaking but it's doable.
These links and others are available from 'Slackware-Links'. More than just Slackware® links!
Debian proper "netinst" image i386 with a minimal base install with no desktop environment. Once installed you can download a windows manager manually. After you learn the basics here is a link from the debian forums... http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=5450
When it comes to older systems using Debian "Lou" is one of the most experienced gurus I know on the subject. His documentation is specifically geared towards squeezing the most performance out of his old P2 system.
Last edited by student2501; 05-01-2009 at 09:04 AM.
farslayer, there's a micro center in mayfield heights, do u know anyone with a powerspec? the celeron shouldn't be much of an issue, the heaviest load i might put on it would be some jpeg and raw file tweaking, no video.
I'm definitely familiar with Microcenter in Mayfield. I Used to spend hours wandering around in there
I haven't purchased any of the powerspec machines as I tend to build my own systems. The powerspec machines don't look bad overall though. Powerspec would be what is referred to as a white box machine. Uses standard motherboard, and components so you can swap em and upgrade as you move on. OEM systems such as Dell and Compaq use some proprietary motherboards so you are stuck with what is in the box.
The USED Dell and Compaq machines they sell are definitely a bargain if you are looking for a decent low end machine for not much cash. I've purchased used Dells for the office before and they worked pretty well with Linux.
SO exactly what kind of memory do you need ? and where abouts in Ohio are you ?
I have some old memory and a CDROM laying around I could part with (it's not doing me any good just sitting in a box) if you are nearby and wanted to pick it up I could part with it easily.. I work in Willoughby off of Lost nation Road.
the old micron machine mentioned before will be used to install Slack or DSL at a later date
here's the machine i ended up with:
dell dimension 8200
BIOS Version/Date Dell Computer Corporation A01, 9/18/2001
SMBIOS Version 2.3
256 MB RDRAM
40 GB Maxtor F040L0 hard drive
LG CRD8482B 1.05 DVD/CD-ROM
CNet PRO200WL PCI Fast Ethernet lan card
Conexant HCF V90 56K Data Fax PCI Modem
Intel 82801BA/BAM usb Universal Host Controller
i updated the memory to 512 MB, windows xp, and the bios recognized it,
debian system monitor lists memory as 503.7MiB. i was careful about matching the RDRAM modules
this thing is a total guinea pig, i just blew windows
off of it and did a net install of debian 501 i386 this morning, md5sum for the iso was good.
gentlemen, you are seeing a common condition know as "newbie overload"
uname -r output; linux kernel is 2.6.26-2-686
the main problem is that the internet / network connection works briefly and then drops out.
my internet connection is from a cable modem through a linksys router
if i boot the router or unplug / plug in the ethernet cable on the back of the linux machine
i can get on the internet from iceweasel, get to some websites, and ping the router , the IP address for google or linuxquestions.org.
the network and / or internet connection lasts for about 45 seconds and then
"the network has been disconnected" dialog box comes up in the standard GNOME 2.22.3 desktop.
i could access the internet OK under windows xp on this machine without having to reconfig the router.
my guess is that I have a driver issue, the old windows system info says:
Name  CNet PRO200WL PCI Fast Ethernet Adapter
Adapter Type Ethernet 802.3
Product Type CNet PRO200WL PCI Fast Ethernet Adapter
i can't export the lspci output right now except for this keyboard, lspci lists the
ethernet controller as: Davicom Semiconductor, Inc. 21x4 DEC -Tulip compatible 10 / 100 Ethernet (rev 31)
i don't think i have k3b on the system, the only transferrable media between the debian desktop and the
windows network is a cd - rom, i wasn't able to burn the lspci output to the cd -rom using gedit, and right now the cd - rom
won't eject. i was able to play mp3 files with it and open DOS text files earlier. might work after a reboot.
i did download the first 3 debian 501-i386 cd isos as a precaution and the cd package lists.
i can't claim any expertise with the GNOME desktop or networking in general. it seems to be a good install, here's the questions:
1. anyone seen this problem before and have a suggestion?
2. i didn't enter a proxy server during the install, didn't think i needed to. can this be part of the problem?
3. if i have to can i do a fresh install over this one and pick some different options?
p.s. the usb support is great so i can post command line output if needed. meanwhile sound juicer is providing relaxation..
Last edited by tired_of_windows; 06-02-2009 at 08:52 PM.
Reason: kept trying
What's the output of 'ifconfig -a' for the system before and after the network stops? What about restarting the inet? Try either 'Slax', 'Knoppix' or even 'SystemRescueCD' which are Livecd. See what is recognized for your Ethernet and wireless. Post the 'dmesg' portion for the device(s)in question, 'route -n' and 'ifconfig -a' for the system. It's nice to have a Livecd to diagnose and repair a system. The Slackware install cd/dvd can be used for repairs.
What distro are you using when the problem occurs?
These links and others can be found at 'Slackware-Links'. More than just Slackware® links!