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Old 12-24-2002, 12:27 AM   #1
jennyb
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Question best version for older computer?


So far, I've tried Mandrake 9.0, Lycoris and Red Hat 7.3.
The first 2 failed to load fully - usually fairly early in the install. Disk 3 of Red Hat must've been corrupt as it failed to recognise it.
The computer is around 5 yo, Pentium II MMX with 64 Mb RAM. The HD check out OK, and I can't work out why Mandrake or Lycoris won't load, I tried text mode, but still no luck.
Is any other version better for older computers?
As I am a newbie, I need a user-friendly one to learn on.
thanks in advance
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Old 12-24-2002, 01:45 AM   #2
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Hi Jenny Welcome to LQ. DId you check the MD5's on the iso's you downloaded for Lycoris or Mandrake, or the 3rd disc on RH? The MD5 is a number that is generated from the file to ensure the entire thing is copied and it's not corrupted at all. There is a program in windoze that you can use to check these "sums" called md5summer, it's at www.md5summer.org The main thing is that you want to make sure you got the whole file.

What part is Mandrake failing out on? You might have also not seen that you need 700MB CDR's rather than the old 650MB ones for these iso's.

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Old 12-24-2002, 05:15 PM   #3
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best version for older computer?

Thx for your reply. I actually got all 3 versions from cover disks on computer mags, so (hopefully) they should be OK. I have emailed the publishers of the RedHat version about the 3rd CD not being recognised, but don't expect a reply until new year - at least. Should I still need to use the program to check on a "bought" disk?
The Mandrake one just seems to nod-off and go to sleep after a short while ... 9% yesterday when I tried text install. The Lycoris one comes up with a message like "Oops! installation failed, refer to printed manual" well, I don't have one, but I will check it out at the Lycoris site.
thx again & have a good chrissy
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Old 12-24-2002, 05:30 PM   #4
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The distros should work - sort of with a lot of swapping - with 64 mb RAM.There got to be some other problem with your hardware.If you post your specs we might be able to help you out a bit better.
 
Old 12-24-2002, 06:06 PM   #5
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I got the computer for nothing, hoping to use it only for trialing Linux ... apart from what I've told you, I don't really know what else it's got - Oh, it has my old Quantum Fireball 3.1 HD and no other operating system. There is a SCSI card, although I haven't got anything connected to it and don't plan to. What else do you need to know?
Is there any use me using the "md5summer" (mentioned by MasterC)?
And ... is there a version of Linux that you recommend, other than the 3 I am trying now? I was thinking of downloading SuSE - is there any point?
thx
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Old 12-24-2002, 06:15 PM   #6
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You can't download Suse anyway - they only offer a ftp-install.
Stick the mandrake Cd in there and see what pops up.
Open a new thread about whatever goes wrong and post the exact error message there.
 
Old 12-24-2002, 06:26 PM   #7
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I'd say give a go on a CD only distro, something like Knoppix to check out your hardware. Make sure the media isn't scratched too.

If it's something you are interested in I will happily send you a free copy of Mandrake 9.0 I know my CD's work, and that'll at least narrow down the problem for ya.

Good Luck



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Old 12-26-2002, 12:48 AM   #8
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crashmeister ... why I had already begun ftp download of SuSE, but am waiting for "quiet" net time to get the bulk of it ... I won't go any further, unless any of you reading this, think it's better than any of the others for the system I've described???

Thanks for your offer MasterC, but did you realise I live in Australia? bit far to send eh? Also, no scratches on CDs.

I have a removable HD in my main computer and figured I could stick the HD from other one in it and try install on that ... if it loads for this particular computer, I will at least know it's not the disks, but the system on the other computer.

Pity I couldn't just load it on one and transfer to the other

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Old 12-26-2002, 02:09 AM   #9
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You can... The default kernels in most distro's "modulize" everything. They make these kernels very compatible. So usually you can install on one PC, swap HD's and go. If it doesn't work with the default kernel, you can build another one with the support needed, and then transfer it over as well. It's part of the beauty of linux.



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Old 12-26-2002, 10:13 PM   #10
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sounds reeeeeeeeeeally complicated ... for a newbie - especially one who was hoping not to have to "tinker" too much!
does linux recognise the new computer when it boots and prompt me for details of changes? or what?
can you or someone else, please answer my original question .. which version would be the best for my circumstances?
thx
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Old 12-27-2002, 12:33 AM   #11
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It's not nearly as complicated as I made it sound. Basically, as far as the user is concerned, it will work by installing on another box, and simply transferring over, there are a few "rules of thumb":
You'll wanna make sure the CPU is of the same architecture (if they can both run winbloze, you are ok)
Make sure that they have relatively "normal" equipment. If you've got some ancient device, don't expect too much.
And try to see that they both use the same "external's". Example would be, both have USB mouse, or not. And so on.

I think I just made it more complicated, so read this sentence:
Yes, you can install on another machine, and it should just transfer right over with little to no work on your part

Ok, as for your original question:
"Is any other version better for older computers?"

Well yes, sorta. Older versions (I think back to 8.2 Mandrake was config'd for older i386's rather than optimizing for i586 as in 9.0, not completely sure though) of Mandrake were configured for slower/older computers. For hardware recognition/ease of use though, I'd steer towards Mandrake or SusE, and MUCH more towards Mandrake if possible.

You can get old Mandrake iso's, easiest way is go to www.google.com/linux and search for mandrake-old

This will point you to a TON of FTP's that have old Mandrake iso's on em, and you can find the one that is the fastest for you. Look for the "i386" versions as this are probably going to work better on older boxes.

HTH, and good luck

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Old 12-27-2002, 05:18 AM   #12
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I succesfully installed Mandrake 8.2 on my PentiumII also with 64MB RAM and I did it the graphical way, no probs (and also 8.2 is optimized for i586). I think, for a beginner it would be good to stick to Mandrake. SuSE should not make a difference, its in the same category, though it seems more particular to doing things its own way. Another good alternative could be Libranet.
My thoughts when I read your story is that it is a hardware problem. But don't give up! When you get it running, Linux is a fine OS and a good learning experience!
 
Old 12-27-2002, 05:25 AM   #13
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debian woody

all you have to do is download some floopys. maybe 7 floopys.
but you may not be a newby onece you are done. but it is lots of fun and you get apt-get.

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Old 12-27-2002, 10:39 PM   #14
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You could always give Peanut a shot (www.ibiblio.org/peanut), Very small install size, easy to install, has everything you need to get started. I've used it off and on for a little while now and have gotten very used to it.

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Old 12-28-2002, 01:18 AM   #15
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Wow! thanks everyone for those responses ... I've had more than my share of "attention" on this board
Thanks esp MasterC, will go ahead with Mandrake 9.0 install on removable HD on good computer (minus peripherals like optical mouse eh?)
With luck, I may not be back to annoy you again ... for a while
thx
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