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Old 05-03-2007, 11:30 PM   #1
metalflight
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I have had it with my HP laptop !!


I give up !!

I wont live long enough to see Linux run on this crappy HP Pavilion dv9000 . I cant even run a live Linux cd. I wish computer owners could choose their O.S. But NO.. That would be..... freedom???

No more HP's for me!
 
Old 05-03-2007, 11:51 PM   #2
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Knoppix 5.1.1 won't run?
 
Old 05-04-2007, 12:37 AM   #3
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Originally Posted by metalflight
I give up !!

I wont live long enough to see Linux run on this crappy HP Pavilion dv9000 . I cant even run a live Linux cd. I wish computer owners could choose their O.S. But NO.. That would be..... freedom???

No more HP's for me!
It would be more productive to tell us what the issue is, and work towards a solution. I'd hate to see you buy another laptop and have issues there also.

You CAN chose your OS...Computers are available with Windows, OSX, or Linux pre-installed. Linux can be installed on a "Windows" computer and on Macs. And some people who have never used the Windows that came with the machine have gotten refunds.
MS does not make it easy, but you do have clear choices.
 
Old 05-04-2007, 03:39 PM   #4
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Thank you for your comments and support. Knoppix 5 worked with some quirks. I thought such a big company might have more sense.
 
Old 05-04-2007, 03:56 PM   #5
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I thought such a big company might have more sense.
? HP is in the business of making money, not of ensuring that their products are Linux compatible. Unfortunately, Linux is still an niche issue in today's "All Microsoft All The Time" corporate world.
 
Old 05-04-2007, 04:03 PM   #6
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Linux user wannabes can't give up that fast, you need to try and get it working first.

BTW-I just bought an HP and that's what I'm using rite now with Debian Etch. Don't make this a PEBKAC problem.
 
Old 05-04-2007, 04:23 PM   #7
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Hp could have one person, working a 40 hr week, could call it unofficial linux help, what would that cost 30,000 maybe. I think the good feedback it would create would pay for itself. Not just hp. I do like there laptops.
 
Old 05-07-2007, 02:28 PM   #8
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I've had Slackware running on my Pavilion ze4315 for ~4 years now. It took time to get everything working but everything works, including the builtin modem. The first time I tried I had to do some Google searching to find out why the installer would crash at a certain point. The solution was to use the bare kernel with a nousb option.

Have you looked at tuxmobil to see what others have installed onto a dv9000? That's where I found step-by-step instructions for installing Slackware onto mine. If Knoppix worked with "some quirks" then what were the quirks?
 
Old 07-16-2008, 03:32 PM   #9
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So... did you finally get it working?

So.... did you give up, which I am tempted to do, or forge ahead and get linux working on your dv9000?
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I give up !!

I wont live long enough to see Linux run on this crappy HP Pavilion dv9000 . I cant even run a live Linux cd. I wish computer owners could choose their O.S. But NO.. That would be..... freedom???

No more HP's for me!
 
Old 07-19-2008, 06:14 AM   #10
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its posted in 2007, he's gone now
 
Old 07-27-2008, 12:39 PM   #11
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So.... did you give up, which I am tempted to do, or forge ahead and get linux working on your dv9000?
CB
Celtic, he may be gone, but I'm about to try the same thing to my DV9627CL. Only difference is I'm stubborn, and I've already trashed HPs Vista and Malware, including their emergency recovery partition.

Incidentally, HP is getting PAID by advertisers for putting Malware on their computers. People who think HP gives a damn about what they want are naive, no insult intended. HP only cares about the money it expects to make, and thinking otherwise is a waste of time. That's the reason they can be had at a very reasonable price. Of course, ***I'll*** personally see the Prez of HP in hell before I allow some greedy SOB to tell me what I have to have running on a computer I purchased. But I'm not going to waste time expecting him not to be a greedy SOB.

Given enough time and enough stubborn people, we may yet be able to reverse the trend of manufacturers preloading malware on computers they try to sell us.

Anyway, if you'll ping me, I'll drop you a link to the Success Story article I write when I get this done.

YMMV,
Toad
 
Old 07-27-2008, 02:29 PM   #12
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In HP's defense, I have found their support for Linux to be simply outstanding on things like printers and scanners.
 
Old 07-27-2008, 02:45 PM   #13
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I have Arch Linux running quite nicely on my HP Compaq 8510W.

I fail to see the point of bashing computer vendors when something does not perform a function that was never advertised. When it comes to hardware, there are very clear choices. If you want Linux preinstalled, there are also clear choices (including HP).
 
Old 07-28-2008, 12:18 AM   #14
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I have Arch Linux running quite nicely on my HP Compaq 8510W.

I fail to see the point of bashing computer vendors when something does not perform a function that was never advertised. When it comes to hardware, there are very clear choices. If you want Linux preinstalled, there are also clear choices (including HP).
1) The original poster/basher is gone, but Celtic posted a reply less than 2 weeks ago. My intent was to encourage him to continue with Linux - that just because another person chose to quit doesn't mean there aren't successes to be had.

2) If bashing computer manufacturers is bad, is bashing the bashers any better? I was trying to point out that there are reasons (MONEY) why a manufacturer does what they do. However just because they can make money by forcing ads on my computer doesn't mean I'm not going to take whatever action I have to, to stop it. I don't give a damn about their profits, once I spend MY money on a system.

3) I realize that you are a "guru" and I'm just some schmuck who wandered into this site 24 hours ago, but is, "I got mine running, quit whining", really the kind of support which should be expected from the Linux community and LinuxQuestions? Arch is one of the more minimalist versions of Linux, which requires that the user be more knowledgeable. I'm glad you got yours working. I'm going to try Ubuntu, not because I'm an idiot, but because I figure it's easier to strip something down that I got working than to spend hours trying to get it working in the first place. Once I accomplish this feat, I intend to write a document to help newbies select a functional version for their machine, get it working, and then help them trim out the fat. I've been doing Unix since 1984, PCs since 1991, and I don't figure it will take me long to work out Linux, once I get it installed.

4) Finally, as far as bashing goes, HP has deliberately monkeyed with the partitions on their current run of laptops to make it difficult to use it any other way. It's HP's choice not to support anything but Vista and HP's choice to try to keep you locked in to their malware, and I'm not complaining about that. But to deliberately set up a hardware partition that cannot be deleted is wrong. (How did I delete mine? I removed the drive, loaded it in an external case, and took it to another machine to reformat there. Worked just fine, but there is still, apparently, something in the hardware which is looking for the deleted partition.)

What's the point? If I buy a car with advertising painted on the side, it's my right to have the car repainted once it's mine, unless I signed a contract otherwise. The auto manufacturer does not have the right to make the car not work if their advertising is not displayed, nor do they have the right to repaint it. If that's bashing, so be it.

Frustrated people are going to appear who haven't clearly said what help they need. It's a lot of trouble to tell them, "take a deep breath and describe your hardware to me along with what you want to accomplish", and I can understand if those people who are providing free support don't always have the patience for the umpteenth newbie to ask the same question today. Maybe you make your living by installing and fixing Linux for those who are not capable of getting it done, so you have a vested interest in not offering free support. But if "user supported" is ever going to work, people need SUPPORT, not "quit whining." In short, if you can't say anything helpful, is it really better to tell someone, "I got mine working?"

YMMV,
Toad
 
Old 07-28-2008, 12:33 AM   #15
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I'm not grasping what you are getting so upset about

The only reason to say "mine is working" is to give some hope to those who are struggling. You will see this quite often here.

I don't recall if you asked for any specific help--if so, I will certainly do what I can.

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4) Finally, as far as bashing goes, HP has deliberately monkeyed with the partitions on their current run of laptops to make it difficult to use it any other way. It's HP's choice not to support anything but Vista and HP's choice to try to keep you locked in to their malware, and I'm not complaining about that. But to deliberately set up a hardware partition that cannot be deleted is wrong. (How did I delete mine? I removed the drive, loaded it in an external case, and took it to another machine to reformat there. Worked just fine, but there is still, apparently, something in the hardware which is looking for the deleted partition.)
Two points:
1. HP certainly can do strange things with partitions if they want to. You are not required to buy the computer.

2. My HP (<6 months old) had no issues whatsoever with hidden partitions. Installing Linux was perfectly straightforward. (Again, only a data point--I'm not trivializing whatever issues you have had.)
 
  


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